New road rules for NSW motorists

If you’re anything like me, the last time you read the NSW Road Users’ Handbook was at the time you did your driving test. Regardless of the fact that I’ve had no training since, I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks they are still a good driver who knows the road rules.

It’s usually when your children get older and you start to teach them how to drive that you suddenly sit back and realise that the rules have changed.

Take for instance the new rules about signalling at a roundabout. Back in the good old days, drivers only had to indicate when entering the roundabout. But these days when you exit a roundabout you must indicate to the left (unless it is not practical to do so).

Roundabout road rules

KNOW THE RULES: Drivers entering a roundabout and intending to turn either left or right, must give sufficient warning to other road users by signalling before entering the roundabout.

What makes these rules so important is that they’re designed to keep us all safer on the roads. By indicating correctly and overtaking with care, we are all contributing to making our roads safer.

That’s why the State Government’s most recent announcement to make changes to the existing road rules from November 1 is so important. Not to mention that doing the wrong thing can attract fines and/or demerit points.

The Roads and Maritime Services (formally RTA) says that “…many of the changes are simply to clarify existing road rules and make them easier to understand.”* With that in mind it shouldn’t take you that much longer to read this blog and get a good understanding of the basic changes.

From 1st November, 2012 the road rule changes are as follows*:

  • No holding your mobile phone in the car: The laws make it clear that a driver in a moving or stationary vehicle (unless parked) MUST NOT HOLD a phone in their hand other than to pass the phone to a passenger. A driver can only use a mobile phone to make or receive a phone call, while driving if the phone: (1) is secured in a mounting fixed to the vehicle, or (2) can be operated by the driver without touching any part of the phone, for example through the use of Bluetooth technology and is not resting on any part of the driver’s body.
  • Any visual display unit must be fixed in the car: A visual display unit such as a GPS (including a mobile phone), may only be used in the car if it is secured in a commercially designed and manufactured fixed mounting. It must be positioned in the vehicle to not distract or obscure the driver’s view.
  • You must signal on approach to a roundabout: You must indicate left or right on approach to the roundabout, to provide sufficient warning of intent to turn.
  • If traffic lights at a roundabout are not working it should be treated like a normal roundabout and you must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout.
  • You cannot make a U-turns on a single continuous dividing line, single continuous dividing line to the left of a broken line or two parallel continuous dividing lines.
  • Exceptions to keeping to the left of a dividing line: Drivers are permitted to cross a single dividing line to enter or leave a road.
  • You can now overtake a vehicle displaying a ‘do not overtake turning vehicle’ sign if you’re planning to overtake on a multi-lane road/if the vehicle is signalling to turn right or making a U-turn from the centre of the road or is stationary, you may overtake to the LEFT only if it is safe to do so.

Please find a pdf of the changes to the rules from 1 November 2012 here.

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370 thoughts on “New road rules for NSW motorists

  1. Answer to Leaving a Roundabout (MUST SIGNAL) INTENT IE BLINKER???
    I think I AM being made to compensate the WAY I drive because of other drivers
    (BOTH) are down right DANGEROUS!!!!!!
    I live near Fivedock and EVERY roundabout is a ACCIDENT waiting to happen.
    Drivers will not slow down and give way to you they would rather put the foot down so they don,t have to stop.
    Harris and LYONS ROAD (WORST)
    EVEN WHEN YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT THEY JUST WILL NOT STOP AND GIVE WAY TO YOU. (4-5) TIMES A WEEK IT HAPPENS YOU GET ABUSED EVEN WHEN YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU have to let them go.Eventially they will not be so lucky it,s only a matter of time with these drivers.
    If you are not on the ball down Fivedock way Leave car at Home.

    • I was taught many years ago to indicate left when leaving a round about and I have never had ANY problems doing so.
      I agree that being on a mobile phone (including hands free) is extremely dangerous and even that should be banned in my opinion.

        These rules have been in since roundabouts were installed NSW – the first one I can remember in NSW was at Toongabbie in the 1960′s. The major problem is the “P” and other idiots that think “the faster I go in the better chance everone will give way”.
        Why not instal speed humps ten meters on the approach to a roundabout as is the case at Norfolk St Greenacre.

        The answer is easy – spend less than $100 for a “Blueant” that clips onto the visor or a “Bluetooth” that goes on your ear if you don’t have a built in. Set your phone to auto-answer and you don’t have to touch anythig – problem solved.
        If you have to make a call PULL OVER

        • Don’t make the judgment of all P platers being terrible drivers. There are just enough bad P platers who shouldn’t have a license that give all of us a bad reputation. There are plenty of other drivers on the road who make terrible decisions that are far worse than most P platers would make.

        • I so agree with your Comments. Esp the comment regarding speed humps just before the roundabouts. I live in Coffs Harbour, it might not be the city, however there are even idiots here who think that a roundabout is an incentive to speed up!!

        • Dug i agree that all p plate drivers [im a p plate driver] drive like idiots. But its not JUST P PLATES its also FULLY licenses drivers “think that the faster I go in the better chance everyone will give way”. so be careful who you point your finger AT.

      • Talking HANDS FREE on a mobile is no different to chatting to a passenger in the car. Do you intend to stop that as well?

        • I disagree – the person listening in the car can see the traffic conditions the driver is up against, and is unlikely to keep chatting if driver is being challenged. The person on the phone will be entirely oblivious, and probably keep chatting regardless of what the driver is doing!

          • Actually, I disagree with you. I find that people are more concious of that fact that I’m driving if I’m talking to them on handsfree and are therefore either a) quicker to wrap up the conversation or b) not concerned of I stop mid sentence to concentrate on some particularly heavy traffic.

            Additionally, whilst you are talking handsfree you are only focussing on the road ahead therefore not drawn to the obligation of “engaging” the passenger by trying to make eye contact with them (I regularly see people having conversations with their passengers and glancing at them whilst driving or turning to look at them when stopped at lights, and am frequently caught behind someone slow to take off when a light changes green because they’re talking to their passenger).

            In the end it comes down to being sensible and, if you know someone is driving ensure you keep the conversation to the necessities, especially if you know that they are driving in peak hour traffic. Or have we all forgotten what common sense is in our litigiously focussed and money hungry society?

        • Try a simple test. Talk on the phone hands free and try and reply to this at the same time. It is not as easy as you think and you can’t crash into anything.

      • While I appreciate the NRMA highlighting the new rules of the road, one that is NEVER mentioned is LANE DISCIPLINE, in other words drivers should select the correct part of the road or lane that they need in good time BEFORE making their move to turn right or left. I have seen this to cause accidents and too cause anger and frustration with other motorists.

      • 40 million drivers in the U.K. have no difficulrty in signalling when leaving a round-about, no matter which exit they may be using. They’ve been doing this since the Second World War. Catch up Australians!

        • I agree David :) I was taught to indicate out of a roundabout and I have been driving for 15 years. Its common practice for me and frustrates the crap out of me when a driver keeps indicating and exits the roundabout beside me on my right! About time new rules were brought in to clear up where people are going, it might stop a few accidents :)

          • It frustrates me that you are not clear in what you are trying to say. In which direction does he ‘keep indicating’ when he exits ‘beside’ you on the right?

        • Learned to drive in UK too and yes, indicating to exit a roundabout was and still is part of the test. Its not that hard!!!!!! These laws need to come in to place in Canberra – why in gods name to people insist on indicating right and then going straight ahead??????? AAARRRGGGGGHHHHH

            • I mean, perhaps that’s what they are thinking when they signal right. Of course, to go straight ahead, you would have to signal left AFTER you pass the first exit to the left, assuming that it’s a 4-exit RA and straight ahead means taking the second left exit.

      • I have been signalling left to leave a roundabout now for a couple of years as it has always been the case that you must do so since roundabouts were introduced. I have no problems with the blinker reset mechanism because if you are going straight ahead in a roundabout by the time you are about to leave it your steering wheel is being turned to the left and the left turn indication can be activated, then as you straighten the wheel to proceed, you can turn the indicator off with your hand. My Toyota RAV-4′s indicator stalk is as long as the radius of the steering wheel so it is within reach of my hand while still on the wheel.

      • allan The real problem is the idiot who drafted the rule. Please tell me when it is not practical to signal left. I have been doing it since roundabouts were introduced. And I have driven dozens of different cars and have never found it impractical. But I am one in a thousand.

        • Sometimes, when I am riding the motorbike, it’s not practical to signal left due to traffic, conditions, or turning angle. Most often, in the car, it is practical. I try to signal whenever I can, especially if there is traffic in the roundabout.

          I can understand the rules re. mobile phones – the number of times I have nearly been run over (on the bike) by people talking, holding, texting, playing or trying to work their phones is crazy. Although, its the same when people smoke, play with passengers in the car, or just plain don’t look. I think, with phones, unless they have a voice-activation feature, calling and using them should be banned by drivers at all times. voice activation should be one touch, and they should all be mounted to the left of the driver (like in a taxi – takes less movement to read). Just a thought.

        • It is not easy to signal you are leaving on the tiny little roundabouts as the indicator will not move until you straighten the wheel in which time you have already left the roundabout. Also it’s time people slowed down approaching instead of thinking they always have right of way. I recently was already halfway through a small one near home when this little young thing came through and was forcing me to stop. I did and yelled at her that I was there first. These are the people that are the problem and yes maybe speed humps a few metres before would be a good idea.

          • What’s wrong with your car?? Of course you can move the blinker to the left while turning right. I have been doing this in my car for over 30 years. The roundabout at the exit to my street is a tiny one at the end of a T junction and I have no trouble doing this.

          • I always slow down to around 40km/h when approaching a roundabout particularly as some intersections have buildings wheich are on the corner and you can’t see approaching vehicles. I gave up on the “first-in-the-roundabout ages ago because even if you are there waiting the cars on the right keep barreling through the intersection and often you have to wait for someone coming from the opposite direction to you to force them to give way.

            • I agree, unfortunately the old “give way to the right” rule, still sits in the thoughts of many. We see it often with our local smallish roundabout, drivers barrelling through if they’re on someone’s right, even tho “their” road is not the major road. It really comes down to safety first, watching out for the mor aggressive drivers, even if they are wrong. It’s the young drivers who “sweep around” corners, who worry me …. Little control, and no knowledge of what’s around the corner, ….they’re fairly easy to pick, luckily, coming towards you .At least the roundabout slows us up. Jan

            • Needless to say that if you are sitting on a minor road you have no chance in heaven to enter the RA, for example, you have 50 cars on your right streaming down bumper to bumper and increasing speed to keep up so as to force the car on their left to keep on waiting! So lets say you had enough and you went through then the car on your right would either slam the brakes and probably have the car(s) behind hit him/her or the car won’t make it in time and slam into you! Here now we have a situation that you (the car that was waiting) would be in the wrong because of the clause that says “if its not dangerous to enter” even and although the car on your right should’ve given you the right of way! So what’s the copper going to do? He’ll probably book both, one for dangerous driving and the other for failure to give way! I wonder what the insurance company(s) is going to do?
              Its a lost cause unless they introduce the RouandAbout Camera that way they’ll make a fortune! Put a camera on the major road and point it to face the minor road on the left so when a bunch of cars ignore the car on the left the camera starts shooting film and when these drivers start receiving fines then we will (maybe) see them stop and finally give way and finally understand the bloody rule!!!
              Imagine receiving a fine in the mail that states “failure to give way on a roundabout”. You just want to be there when they open the letter!!!

              • The car on your right should give you ‘right of way’? Or do you mean that one of them should stop and allow you to enter the RA, out of courtesy because you have been waiting a long time? Because according to the rules, the cars on your right do have the right of way over you, don’t they?

          • That’s right, people don’t need to be racing about in the city as if they own the place. By the same token, one can forgive little young things because they are little and young, and, well, only things!

        • When the roundabout exit goes past a McDonald’s driveway it is impractical to signal left as the people coming out of the McDonald’s will cut you off, even if you are about to hit them. A classic example is the Ulladulla Macca’s.

        • It is not practical when the roundabouts are of very small diameter – you should be past the previous exit before putting on the left blinker. Many of our local area (Lismore) roundabouts are so small that you are on the way out before you can safely signal. Also the local council takes delight in putting structures and vegetation on the roundabout to completely obscure your view of any traffic coming from straight ahead, thus making the signals near useless anyway.
          The same council must also hate pedestrians, since they plant vision obstructing vegetation in front of pedestrian refuges, with the result that small pedestrians are not visible until they actually step on the road right in front of you. Genius planning!

          • Agreed re Lismore, Bruce. The roundabout looks nice but demands a quick reaction time. The real corker in Lismore is trying to turn right out of Dawson Street into Magellan. The keep-left and stripy warning signs are placed EXACTLY to hide oncoming cars. Brilliant. If the Council is sticking to RMS guidelines in doing that, those guidelines need to be changed.

            (Sorry to those of you who don’t live in Lismore. But I’ll bet that you have similar examples where you live.)

            Good idea on roundabouts: if you’re not sure of where a car’s going, look at the front wheel. That shows quicker than anything else what line the car is taking.

        • It does seem impractical when the roundabout has two lanes and a car going straight ahead is slightly behind you on your left (in or near your “blind spot”). This happens locally at a particular roundabout where the two lanes merge to one immediately coming out of the roundabout. Poor road planning, I think.

      • I am a driving instructor and in some of theses rules are stupid and the only time you cant signal off is when you get to a blob of concrete called a round about, the roundabout has to be at least 20mtr in diameter for you to be able to signal off,the other issue of morons charging through roundabouts is due the the fact they don’t know the road rules and think that the triangle means roundabout ahead and that you give way to your right I agree that all roundabouts should have speed humps on the approach or make every body do knowledge test when renewing there license this will also up date all drivers on changes to road rules.

        • Gino makes sense.
          We should all have to do a comprehensive (online ?) test when we renew.
          Speed humps on all roundabout approaches (there seems to be a challenge to see how fast they can go through).
          Survival care needed when entering – left signals when going straight through – right signals signals when going straight through – take your pick.

        • Gino lets put the RoundAbout Camera, they’ll slow them down even better because it hits the POCKET!! Isn’t this the reason that there are Speed Cameras to fill the states coffers?

    • I got my licence in 1993 and was trained to indicate ‘off’ a roundabout and have done it every time since. I have never had any issues with my inicators. Simply signal left as you start to straighten the wheel – easy.

      • How do you indicate a straight ahead exit on a traffic dome cum roundabout when you are only in the roundabout for a second or 2.
        A left signal before entering is misleading and potentially dangerous.
        I agree you should indicate when practical, which means a much larger roundabout than a traffic dome.
        Signals not much use unless they give a timely warning.

    • I wouldn’t get excited about the exiting a roundabout rule, I’m from the UK and its always been the case their. Its only now that i know that it wasn’t here!! I indicate in exit out of habit rather than necessity but I don’t think it will make any difference from a safety point of view either way, just give the cops another excuse to stop drivers and fine them.

    • Perhaps Dennis K Adams is changing his left turn indicator too early. If he has “straightened up”, and his indicator switches off, he must be through the roundabout and driving straight ahead. I tested it this morning, and had no problem whatsoever. And I agree with the comment below…… Dennis, stop yelling!

    • the indicate rule at roundabout has been around for years in other states. NSW just fall behind. However i do agree with awkwardness to signal left when wheel is turning right.
      Common sense is look at where the wheel is pointing, because there are people signal exit but keep going straight.

      • We have Australian Road rules for several years. There have been few exceptions which are unique to certain states but round abouts have not been one. The wording of the law previously was that you had to signal when exiting – that meant regardless of whether you were turning or going straight ahead.

    • The replies above must relate to vehicles built before the late 80′s.
      Every vehicle I have owned since the mid 80′s has enabled me to utilise the blinker even when turning the steering wheel. I have always used my blinkers since my stint in victoria with their roundabouts. Practice, practice and more practice will make you efficient and utilise the blinkers automatically when required.
      As to the phone users; Death awaits when those who utilise them whilst driving lose concentration and commonsense.

    • I have always indicated when leaving a roundabout either turning right or going straight a head in a variety of cars and never had any problems with the indicators maybe its time for a new car it is a prety simple skill that anyone with a licence should have mastered before they got there Ps

    • calm down with your ranting, there’s a good fellow. This style of indicating has been standard practice for years in the UK. if you are going straight on, you don’t indicate going in to the roundabout, and you indicate left just prior to your exit. contrary to your hysterial about your blinker arm, you will find that on a large diameter roundabout your indicator will stay on. on a smaller one it won’t but that doesn’t matter as you are already off it by the time you come to indicate. if turning right and you have gone 3/4 of the way around it makes sense to indicate left for your exit to let those behind you know you are about to cross their lane, and those coming in from the lane you are turning off at that they can enter safely.

      One thing that is odd about AUS is
      (a) lights go green for cars AND pedestrians at the same time. That never happens on UK traffic lights.
      (b) Parking facing in the direction you are driving. Why? Some sort of neatness rule and excuse to fine everyone. UK doesn’t have such a nonsense rule. And no, people don’t crash just because they are trying to pull out from parking the ‘wrong way’ around. Try finding a parking space in London and having to point the right way – would be a receipe for major road rage.

      • Yep! Noticed that too when I first arrived in Oz in 87. Every day I would hear a “Pedestrian Down at lights” report on the Radio, Now I know why.
        Only the Ozzies would Tell pedestrians to Jump off teh Kirb at the same time as the Tell teh Lead Footers to Floor it.

        Any Idea how we can Teach Ozzie’s to Keep the Efff to teh Left on Freeways???

      • You can say that again! Gosh, I couldn’t believe it when I first realised that the pedestrians jumping into my path, esp around corners, were also getting the green light same as I! Downright dangerous! However, regarding parking facing the flow of traffic, (a) what’s wrong with a neatness fetish, if that’s what it is, and (b) how would you merge seamlessly into flowing traffic if you were parked with your nose facing oncoming vehicles? To pull out, you would have to awkwardly back out facing the oncomers and then do a u-ie right in the middle of the road with traffic banking up against you, if it’s a busy road.

    • Having lived in South Australia for 15 years from 1981, where they knew about roundabouts long before they caught on in NSW, never had a problem with signalling left for turning off a roundabout in any kind of car. The kind of people who complain about this rule would in my opinion be the ones who never signalled at roundabouts in the first place.
      All new cars should be fitted with a scrambler, making it impossible to use mobile phones. Before these devices we lived quite happily and I can’t see the need for using these things when driving.

      • That’s a great suggestion about the scambler just like when you take off and your watching the TV screen on the dash when the car is at standstill and when it starts moving the TV only sends out audio. If they can do that in a vehicle it shouldn’t be that hard to do the same for a mobile!

    • Dennis K Adams needs a driving lesson.
      Please show me a roundabout where it is impractable to indicate off, and I’ll show you speeding cars for the conditions.
      do not assume you have right of way at anytime, you may have the privilage to go first if it is safe. eg green traffic light does not mean go! Check to see if it is safe and proceed with care. You want to be the dead right type!
      You may have to give way to vehicles on your left if they enter the roundabout before you. Nearby is a very tight r-about at a T junction. I enter at about 10kph to trun right, cars on right enter about 45 kph to go straight. GIVE WAY TO VEHICLES ON THE ROUNDABOUT (where there is danger of collision)!

      Generally people need to slow down more and stop less, ie give way sign noy stop sign., there is usually a gap between vehicles to flow gently through safely untill the hoons are about..

      • I agree, some people are set in their ways & refuse to change. I am a Driving instructor & have taught all my students to indicate off all R/bouts no matter what size. On many occassions the RMS examiner during a test will notify my students not to worry about signaling off the small r/bouts only the large ones, this is where we have our debates on every persons interpretation of the rules even in the RMS.

    • I have absolutely no [problems with the roundabout rules – It’s what I have been doing for years! that guy who lets his car’s indicator stalk and auto return dictate the way he drives has to be incompetent and I would not like to meet him on a roundabout or anywhere else. The worst offenders at roundabouts are those who use an indicator – either side – just to say they are entering it! Left indicator mans turning left, so cars wanting to enter believe that they are clear to enter, only to find that the damned car continues into the roundabout! Two crashes in my suburb in the last year. However, all roundabouts are different and they should NOT be! nor should roundabouts feed into traffic lights nor vice versa – they operate completely at odds with each other

      • hi Robert i totally agree.
        there will be more accidents at roundabouts due to these rule changes. this morning i came up to a roundabout and put my left blinker to enter and as i continued to go round the car in the next street who was also entering roundabout assumed i was turning left and we nearly collided. i feel that there is no need to indicate to enter a roundabout [if you are on approuch to roundabout there is nowhere else to go] but signeling your exit should be law.
        also can you imagine what it’s going to be like in multi lane roundabouts when cars in middle lanes with left blinkers.
        panel beaters and smash shops must be rubbing their hands together.

        • The left blinker is used to indicate a left turn, not entry to the round about. Signal right when approaching/entering to make a right hand turn. Only signal left when exiting – either as a ‘straight ahead’ exit or when coming to your exit when turning right.

          God, I also hate morons who can’t keep their lane on round abouts, Its not that damn hard. I had one stupid woman, next to me on a two lane round about, decide to turn right from the left hand lane, across my path. Lucky I was watching or she would have cleaned me up!

    • I have also always indicated when turning off a roundabout and never had a problem – if you are going straight through a roundabout i don’t think you have to indicate – if going straight through a roundabout you should always be in the left hand lane and not in the right lane if it is a two lane roundabout you would be in the wrong if you went straight through unless signs on road indicate any different. Common sense is all you need and never assume someone on a roundabout knows what they are doing or where they are going – it is better to wait those few more moments than be involoved in a near collision or collision- patience and politeness is all you need when out in traffic

      • You can go straight ahead from the right hand lane in a round about. You cant turn left from the right hand lane, or turn right from the left hand lane, assuming a 2 lane roundabout (unless otherwise signposted)

    • One of my biggest gripes is why the hell do you bother to signal / indicate after you have moved into a turning lane ie; off ramps, left or right turn lanes??? The whole idea when diverging into a turn lane etc.. is to warn drivers behind you of your intentions so that they can drive accordingly. By not signalling prior to the diversion, it only slows the flow of traffic as drivers following are unsure of what the car in front is planning to do!! Selfish, ignorant pigs!!!

    • I concur with Dennis, that your indicator isn’t suitable in the time frame to switch indication with a degree of safety and exiting with the indication may remain on after the exit. However in some states like ACT & QLD, some roundabouts are so big that they allow for safety and turn signal to work.
      Finally what with police resources, what police are going to sit at a roundabout and ticket you for not indicating. My state of NSW is broke and all I have to say is that it was unsafe to do so.
      Again, whoever came up with this idea must be chauffeur driven around.

    • Dennis, you must be about my age and I find the LOGIC and SENSE of driving has been lost. These days everyone is racing around and it
      doesn’t matter how well the rules have been learnt.All drivers at a small roundabout, I think, should be able to see all entries and therefore utilize the roundabout as a normal crossing and use blinkers
      left for left, right for right, or no blinkers if going straight. With larger roundabouts, with 2 or more lanes, certainly indicators are needed, but some drivers don’t have a clue or couldn’t be bothered. What I have found in the past is, some drivers enter a 2 lane roundabout and then change lanes whilst in roundabout.????

    • with this new rule we need a blinker that points straight ahead to show we are going straight through the round-about. I agree if you are turning left you put on the left blinker, if you are turning right you put on the right blinker. but if you are going straight ahead, we need the straight ahead blinker.

      I think it is strange to put on the right blinker to indicate going straight. it would be confusing to anyone trying to enter the round-about as they will wait for you to go past them and then you change your blinker to indicate left to exit because you are going straight instead.

      WOW maybe if people have been doing this for years is why we have so many accidents at round-abouts and not the other way around.

      • If you are going straight ahead in a roundabout, you don’t put your indicator on to the right but only to the left just before you exit.

      • You don’t put your right blinker on to go straight ahead or as my GPS says at the roundabout “Straight On” you put your left blinker to exit and you manually cancel it after exiting. Couldn’t be simpler.

      • When negotiating roundabouts in Australia your exit is always a left turn, so you should use a left blinker before your exit, regardless of whether you wanted to go left, straight or right when you approached the roundabout.
        This means that:
        The person who wants to go left indicates this on entry into the roundabout (and if necessary before the first exit)
        The person who wants to go straight ahead does not indicate at all until leaving the roundabout and
        The person who wants to go right indicates this on entry into the roundabout and then indicates left before the exit that takes him out of the roundabout.
        I have had my license for 40+ years. I agree that some of the smaller ones can be tricky, but generally have had few problems indicating entry or exit at roundabouts.

    • Don’t have a problem indicating left to exit at roundabouts, hardly difficult, but like perhaps 97% of others, do so at larger roundabouts and not so much at small residential suburban type.

      Agree, that many approaching you on your right while your nose IN the roundabout/over the line already, use speed on approach to intimidate their way through – often forcing you to stop, unless your a truck.

      Australia is a place with low driver requirement and expectation, and the on-road behaviour reflects this, and its also a result of greater societal anger in general. Hopefully, this will change in the next 1-20 years.

    • take roundabouts out and put lights in or make it that there is no trees or bushes on roundabouts so you can see what traffic is doing

    • I have always understood that these rules applied previously on a round about and have always indicated my intentions to leave the round about even going straight with no problems. I used to get annoyed by drivers who didn’t do this .

    • If your blinker is cancelling too early or you seem to be forcing it against it’s will, that’s because you are turning it on at the wrong time, probably too early. Only indicate left just before you are exiting. I’ve been doing it for years with no problem. On mini roundabouts when going straight through, there is no need to indicate. As the RTA states “When exiting a roundabout you must signal to the left before you exit, unless it is not practical to do so”. As you correctly stated “it’s not rocket science”.
      On another note, if people followed the first RTA rule at roundabouts there would be far less problems and accidents. That is, SLOW DOWN WHEN APPROACHING A ROUNDABOUT.

    • before the laws were put in place i already did this and it is not that hard, if you go around a round about, heading straight or right, when you turn back you wheel to the left is when you turn your blinker on, and on most round abouts it will work, unless its ridiculously huge and there a 3 or more lanes of traffic, but or tiny, but the tiny ones are generally single land anyway, cops won’t do anything about due to it being within a round about, it makes it slightly harder for them to get within the required 4 seconds.

    • I got my provisional license over a decade ago, we were all taught to indicate when exiting the roundabout. It really isn’t that difficult.

    • You must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout, regardless of whether they are turning right, left otr straight ahead. You have alway been required to sinal your intention to leave a roundabout (where practicable) and to all of you who think the roundabout rule is to give way to the right – think again. Each entry to the roundabout is a give way sign & if someone is already there, then they have right of way. Too many people simply sail on through. Give way means to slow down and prepare to stop if someone is already in the roundabout.

    • Why are you shouting, Dennis? Agree with most of the comments posted.

      Really, the the fundamental issue is one of respect for the rules, laws and each other, simple as that. Bad habits, bad skills and bad manners towards other road users is the order of the day.

      How do these people get their licence? It is still too easy to get a drivers licence in NSW (Australia?) and this leads to a birthright rather then a privilege mentality. I’ve made my kids do their 120 hours (a lot of parents don’t) but does that make them better, safer drivers or does it teach them (mostly) how to sit is Sydney traffic (and observe the habits of other drivers). I’ve tried my best (and continue) to instill in them good manners and calmness on the roads (for their own sake, at least) but like everyone else I’m not perfect and I’m sure my bad habits also show through.

      Do new migrants sit for a test or just use an international DL? Does anyone really want to sit for a licence renewal test? Just asking!
      Wow, just think about it! How many drivers would be on the sideline then?

    • I so agree, new roundabout laws are stupid. in over 10 years I haven’t had anything probablem on roundabouts, but now so many near misses and the law has only just come in. No ones even indecating out, not even police who will fine YOU for not doing it. Having to take one hand off the steering wheel while turning is just plane stupid,which makes the people who thought of it reponsable for hurt is causes.

      • You must have a strange car if you need to take one hand off the wheel to indicate!!! Its about time people were taught the correct way to use roundabouts ( including who has right of way). Maybe an ad campaign using some of the money wasted on the speeding ads.

    • Why is it when I use a Reound about I have not problems Indicating like you are suppose to no matter what direction I am going at the round about so I do not understand where you get the indicator turns off when the wheel turns right well when you are ment to use the Indicator the wheel should not be fixing itself from the right anyway it doesn’t for me never it always works. if you are going straight you are ment to use the left indicator when you are half way through the round about after your wheel has turned back so like I have said it doesn’t affect me maybe you need to go and have a driving instructor teach you how to use a round about.

    • The rule about indicating out of a roundabout makes sense, and has been the rule for several years but ignored by the vast majority of drivers. I can manage to over-ride the automatic cancelling of the indicator when needed.
      What needs to be reinforced is that every entry to a roundabout has a “Give Way” shaped sign (but unfortunately does not display the words). All drivers need to approach a roundabout at such a speed that they can safely stop to give way if there is a vehicle on the roundabout heading towards them. Approach speed is the major problem.

    • Never had a problem using the blinker to exit around about yet and I go thought a few including the one at the end of the F3 and at maitland where they have one of the worst in the state, If you turn it on just as you past the entrance to the previous turn it will stay on until you leave down you road. Use a bit of common sense and all should be fine

    • I believe that the requirement to use your indicators when going straight ahead is absolutely stupid – some office worker obviously has nothing better to do than to try and invent ridiculous road rules – totally irrelevant road rules.

    • It has been the rule in the ACT for many years to indicate when leaving a roundabout and to indicate with you right blinker if continuing around. I have never had a problem with using the blinker in these circumstances. But then again anyone who can’t control the caps lock on the computer probably has difficulties with using their blinker.

    • You shouldn’t be on the roads. If you can’t use your indicators maybe you can’t really use a car…. If the instruction is too hard maybe you don’t understand. Fail. Do not pass go and stop causing accidents, get off the road :)

    • I have always indicated left when leaving a roundabout and have never had a problem with my indicator cutting off. I have taught both my daughters to drive in the last three years and it is increasingly frustrating to see people totally ignorant of the road rules. Giving way to people in a roundabout tends to get lost on some people and also approaching a roundabout too fast. People need to take responsibility and consider others.

    • Define what this means?( unless it is not practical to do so)
      I would have thought that at small roundabout controlling cross roads,
      you are out of the roundabout before you can indicate left. Not only that, the steering action to leave the roundabout at that point is contrary to trying move the indicator on the steering column. Come on, this is a stupid rule. By all means indicate left when leaving the intersection on a large roundabout but seriously, at simple cross roads?

  2. Exceptions to keeping to the left of a dividing line: Drivers are permitted to cross a single dividing line to enter or leave a road.

    Question, what about a double dividing line, into a drive or road?

    • Per the RTA pdf file, the answer to crossing double lines is “In NSW drivers are also permitted to cross two continuous lines to enter or leave the road by the shortest route.”

      • when are people going to learn that common curtesy is needed on the roads when a car is making a reverse park on a road where there is doulbe lines and the cars cannot wait for them to do so they cross the lines to go around them causing cars coming the other way to take evasive action just have a bit of patience simply if they got out of bed a bit early they would.nt have to rush to get where they are going

    • Yes you can go across IF you do not impede traffic and are entering a driveway. Many tailenders occur due to drivers suddenly stopping when two continuous lines are present instead of observing the situation and going to the nearest street and turning around.

      • Many accidents probably happen when those of use who learnt to drive outside of NSW are surprised when someone goes to stop and turn across Double lines! Outside of NSW (At least in Vic, ACT, and WA), Double Lines are sacrosanct – you cannot stop, park, cross them, or do anything other than continue to drive, if you are on double lines!

    • It is an offense to cross an unbroken centre line unless turning into a road or a driveway, I’m sure others will post if there are other exceptions.

  3. The road rule of signalling when leaving a roundabout when a vehicle is actually driving straight ahead is both dangerous and misleading. I have nearly been run into by drivers who signal left before entering a roundabout thinking they are going to turn immediately but then drive straight ahead with their left indicator still on. This dangerous rule should be dropped and only applied at large roundabouts.

    • It only exiting. If your going straight ahead you don’t turn on your indicator entering the roundabout, but you do when your exiting.

      • Agreed. Left blinker should be utilised when approximately one quarter to one third into the roundabout thus ALL others know exactly what you are doing; exiting left

        • I was taught at a Senior’s driving school to indicate just as I was passing the street I was NOT turning into. I use it all the time, but most don’t, maybe now they will.

          My biggest complaint is that drivers treat our tiny roundabouts as “throughabouts” – eg. Pentacost and Bannockburn roads Turramurra. The old Sydney rule “give way to the right” has never been given uip. Give me the English roundabouts anytime, at least you know were you stand.

    • The rule there is simple, don’t indicate at all until leaving the roundabout, which would be past the left hand turn. It’s not rocket science.

    • I agree with Phillip – although Julie is right that the rule is clear enough that you don’t indicate left until you are beyond the entry point of the roundabout – there are still many drivers who indicate left before they are in, thinking they’re getting well prepared for obeying the rule about indicating left when exiting. This is grossly dangerous to pedestrians and there will be casualties because of it, I have no doubt (having had close calls already).

      The rule change giving motorists right of way over mounted cyclists at zebra crossings is similarly confusing – in practise, not in principal – and was a retrograde law change endangering cyclists. When car drivers have to get out and push their cars across level (railway) crossings I might come to agree with this fool of a law. The sensible alternative would have been to require cyclists to ride across zebra crossings at walking pace.

      • Its a pedestrian crossing not a cycle crossing and if you want right of way get off the bike and be a pedestrian and Leon if you have to ride at walking pace you may as well walk. Children are the worst offenders and the most vulnerable

      • Leon, I agree totally with your first paragraph. I also have had numerous near misses by people who indicate left before entering the roundabout, only to go straight ahead. I don’t see what the problem was with indicating left for turning left, indicating right for turning right & no indicator for going straight ahead. This rule worked well on your average 4 way intersection before the introduction of the indicate off rule. Naturally there are drivers that don’t indicate where they are going any of the time. This rule won’t change their ways.

    • I fully agree with this . It makes NO sense to indicate when you are going straight ahead. As stated it only causes confusion and had done many times in my area which have a lot of roundabouts

      • I think it would be better if you all went on the RMS website and looked up the Australian Road Rules. You will find that the rules include nice little diagrams that show you how to use the indicators, particularly when you use right and left indicators when entering the roundabout, and the concept of whether you are leaving before or after “substantially straight ahead”.
        I suggest all of you read Rules 109 to 118, and THEN YOU CAN HAVE AN OPINION (sorry for shouting…) It really is so simple, if you know what you are talking about.
        I personally find that it is a little difficult to indicate left when entering roundabouts the size of postage stamps, but always form those larger than 15 metres or so. I agree totally with one comment – that if the indicator clicks off when you straighten the wheel, you are indicating TOO EARLY !!!! You have to wait until you are half way through, so that you have already got your wheels to the straighahead position – SIMPLE.

      • if you don’t indicate left to exit a roundabout even if you are driving straight through, the driver entering the roundabout on your left will assume you are continuing around the roundabout and may enter the roundabout as you swerve left to exit. It is exactly the same as changing lanes or turning a corner. I hate people that don’t indicate – people must be aware of where you intend to travel, it is common courteousy.

    • I totally agree and had this argument with my husband the other day saying if I put my blinker on left and am going straight through the person behind and forward thinks i,m turning left . Next thing i,m going straight thru very dangerous rule and stupid I have always put blinker on left saying i,m exiting that i agree with.

    • Definitely an error!

      If you are entering a roundabout and are going to exit at the first exit left, then you make a left turn signal before you enter the roundabout and possibly again before you exit. Depending on the distance, you may need to keep the indicator on from before you enter the roundabout until you exit the roundabout.

      If you are going straight ahead, through the roundabout, then you signal left just prior to making your exit.

      If you are NOT taking the immediate exit to the left, not going straight ahead, but are going to drive around to the right, then you signal with your right indicator before entering the roundabout then signal with your left indicator before taking the exit of your choice.

  4. I understand the mobile phone law changes. But I’m not sure this received adequate advanced publicity or that these laws compare with other western country laws for in-car mobile phone use. There will be many road users caught without the neccesary commercially designed and manufactured fixed mounting from Thursday. Given more time and publicity I’m sure most will have the required hardware. I am afraid many people are going to loose points and pay heavy fines.

    • My understanding for years has been you can’t use a mobile phone when driving. But everywhere you look you see car drivers holding phones and talking! This rule is just a slight change in effect from an existing rule which just can’t be enforced now due to the lack of number of Police! It seems to me to be a rule that can’t / won’t be enforced!

    • you can’t be serious, you shoud aready have these products in place, obviously your one of the people I see taking on the Mobile while driving !

      • I have a $150 handsfree voice-activated kit that clips onto the visor and I sit my phone in the cup holder. I don’t have a commercially designed overpriced holder (retail for around $30 in Australia, cost around $1 from China.. who’s idea was it to mandate the phone being in an ‘approved’ holder?). I do not drive around holding my phone whilst talking. My children are more of a distraction than anyone I could be speaking with on the phone, even if I was holding it with one hand and the steering wheel with the other hand. In 25 years of driving all vehicle types in all terrains and all over the world I have no driving accidents, claims or convictions.. but clearly I should cop a $300 fine if I happen to touch my phone whilst in the car… how are we going with the law on CBs by the way.. am I good to touch that?

  5. I learnt the roundabout rule when I was going for my QLD license in 1985. Makes things a lot safer if done properly. The morons that don’t even slow down at roundabouts are the ones that scare the hell out of me.

  6. I am pretty sure its harder for us/me to remember the new changes (change of habits). I do hope they will give us a time to get use to put the blinkers on on the run about/change our driving habits around the run about.
    Thank you.

  7. Regarding the visual display unit, the pdf says “…….A visual display unit (including a mobile phone), which is being used as a driver’s aid function….” does it include the car camera? I think the car camera is not a device that used as a ‘driver’s aid function’…..

  8. Dennis Adams is correct. If circling clockwise in a roundabout you will cancel left turn indicator if able to engage it. – may damage mechanism trying to engage left turn indictor while turning right. Our highly esteemed highway patrol wont care – if it produces opportunities to raise revenue they will book youy.

    • You won’t damage the indicator stalk by keeping pressure on it while turning the steering wheel. I never have and I’ve been following these roundabout rules since I started driving years ago. Try it for yourself.

  9. if someone indicates left too early before exiting the roundabout it is bound to cause accidents. I dont understand the point of indicating left when exiting! you either indicate to turn right or indicate to turn left or if going straight dont indicate at all!!!

    • I agree – some of the roundabouts are so small that by putting a left blinker on to exit means you are already through the roundabout or come close to having an accident because the person on the left enters the roundabout thinking you are turning left. If you are going straight ahead you should not use a blinker at all. BTW I have followed many police cars who don’t indicate when going straight ahead and also officers on mobile phones while driving – no excuse if more than one officer in the car.

    • Alisha you are correct, people are not reading the rule properly

      “Drivers entering a roundabout and intending to turn either left or right, must give sufficient warning to other road users by signalling before entering the roundabout”

      Driving straight thru the roundabout means NO indicators

      • Glenn, have a look at the diagrams on the RMS site , it clearly shows the indicators flashing on exiting straight ahead

    • Alisha…. Is is so important to indicate left when exiting a roundabout…. especially for anyone who is turning right at a roundabout….. Many roundabouts have gardens and trees in the middles of them, or are very big roundabouts where the people on the other side of the roundabout can not have seen where a car entered the roundabout to begin with…. So to put on the good old left blinker a good idea, it is also, plain and simple, courteous

  10. What’s the hassle with roundabouts? The laws in the ACT have been like this for a long time, and generally work well (except for ‘out-of-staters’ who do not seem to realise how easy it is). In regard to the ‘self cancel’ of the LH indicator because the steering is stll going right, just hold the stalk with slight pressure against the ‘cancel’ with one finger – it really is easy!

    • That’s the problem with holding it with pressure. While turning right. When you are meant to have both hands on the steering wheel controlling the direction of the car. What if you experience over/under steer? Your screwed.

      • I think that the last car to demonstrate over- or under-steer at round-about speeds was a 1957 cadillac. How many cars have indicator stalks that require the hand to be taken off the wheel? Not sure that the rules require both hands to be on the wheel at all times: manual cars could not be driven!

  11. Okay for truckies to use a CB radio while driving a 22 wheeled articulated vehicle through town with 18 manual gears but a car driver can’t answer a mobile phone even when driving an automatic. Again, morons in offices making baseless decisions to protect motorists from themselves,

    • Its not the truckies’ accident statistics that has made this rule essential.Its the “morons” in cars.I was driving cars before blinkers and had no trouble changing gears, hand signaling intentions at roundabouts.I dont recall having the desire to make or receive phone calls while driving, still dont.Its all about being organised and responsible.

    • The difference between mobiles and CB is I don’t need to take my eyes off the road, most simpletons out there can’t speak without looking down to text a message in reply. I’m only pushing a button and speaking, most morons are speaking with head hunched on side, one-hand on wheel, trying to turn wheel with one hand, physically impossible whilst holding phone, and most idiots try to reverse still holding the damn phone, I can do all these things because my cord is 2 mtrs long, and my CB is above my head with speaker/receiver dangling.
      The morons in offices make rules so the minority of “good drivers” will survive the majority of morons texting, speaking on mobiles.

  12. The indicating left turn on leaving the round about is ridiculous as the steering wheel cancels the indicator arm and then one only has one hand on the wheel which is more dangerous

    On multi lane road what about a law for drivers not doing the speed limit to only drive in the left hand lane

  13. The small roundabouts generally found in Australia (where a cross-roads junction has been given a roundabout) do not make it easy to appreciate the correct methods as detailed in Highway Codes of countries where they have real roundabouts.
    It should be treated as a circular one-way-street, which is what it is of course. Therefore you cannot turn right on entry. No signal. Signal when approaching your exit. Always give way to vehicles approaching from your right, when entering the roundabout. If roundabout has two lanes and you do not intend taking the first exit, position your car in the right lane before entry.If turning left from the right lane, (as happens in heavy traffic) after signalling make sure that there is not a car on your left that is continuing round past your exit. The most stupid mistake normally encountered in Australia is that of drivers who, having signalled Right and passed one exit, leave the signal flashing until it cancels itself after they have made their left (exit) turn. This stops cars from entering at the next exit who will wait for them to pass thinking that their flashing right indicator means they are continuing round to their right instead of exiting.

    • However, the law says to indicate right if you intend to turn right. Let’s not confuse the issue with single lane roads that turn around in circles. Just follow the guidelines explained in the article and everything will be fine.

    • I take issue with these 2 statements ; “Therefore you cannot turn right on entry. No signal.” – look up the law….Aust Road Rules 109 to 118.
      “Always give way to vehicles approaching from your right, when entering the roundabout” is totally incorrect, unless the vehicle is already in the roundabout. THERE IS ACTUALLY NO GIVE WAY TO THE RIGHT RULE IN A ROUNDABOUT. Only give way to vehicles already in the roundabout, which includes a car that has already entered before you on your left. It’s so simple, it’s embarassing.

    • David if you had to always give way to vehicles approaching from your right, when entering the roundabout there would be no point in having a roundabout. It is my understanding of the rule give way to vehicles already in the roundabout that once you have entered the roundabout by crossed the broken white line at the threshold of the roundabout you are deemed to be in the roundabout so other vehicles that have not entered the roundabout must give way.
      That way every one get a fair go not just traffic approaching on a busy street to the right.
      Unfortunately must wont take their right of way and give way to everything on their right.
      A more practical rule would be that when approaching a single lane roundabout you must give way to any vehicle stopped at the white line at the threshold intending to enter the roundabout in front of you, be they to your left or right, that way everyone gets a fair go.
      Think of it as enforced courtesy on those that don’t have it.

    • And that my dear friends is why NSW RTA/RMS has changed the rules on roundabouts 4 times in 20 yrs, thats two generations of drivers brought up on different rules. Mr Cocks learnt the original rule, but that was changed 5 yrs later, ppl must learn, You must Give Way to vehicles on roundabout, even on your left, left, left.
      Turning left from right lane, yeh, right, don’t forget the blind spot, in my blind spot, a 22 wheeler can fit.

      The stupidist law is using blinkers to go straight ahead, who-ever thought of that one needs a good boot, is it left blinker or right blinker? How many hits and misses are caused by that stupid rule?
      Oh thats right, right blinker means straight ahead, no, not turning right unless of course he is actually turning right or left, you just don’t know until the wheel turns.

  14. I have always indicated left when leaving a roundabout, I was taught that way.. I have also taught my son who is 19 to do the same thing (thinking it was already a rule). If you cant manage to do it maybe you need some driving lessons, its not that hard to do and for the person who is waiting for his/her blinker to turn off Im not sure if you know that you can automaticaly switch it.

  15. The new or restated, signalling rules for most of Sydney’s roundabouts – converted small-scale suburban cross roads are totally stupid. For a larger scale one, the ones in the mind of the “experts”, who obviously never drive themselves, it’s a different story.

    For going straight ahead on a former local intersection, it is almost criminally dangerous and distracting to other drivers, to need to reach for the turn indicator. A concerted campaign on just who has the right-of-way would achieve more than an act of stupidity which turns safe drivers into rule-breakers.

    I’d hoped that the former RTA would be reformed with the change of government but it seems that the Sir Humphreys have outsmarted, yet again, the (country member) Minister.

    • i agree some of the suburban roundabouts are just placed in the middle of an old intersection and are very small ,hard enough to keep kand on wheel turning and then trying to use indicators for going straight will see more accidents from loss of controll.

      • most small roundabouts do not have a street on the left.
        Most have a street on the right and therefore you should use your blinker exiting as you are indicating to the oncoming traffic what your intention is.

    • What’s this about “reaching” for the indicator. If you have hands at 3 o,clock you can operate the stalk without your hand coming off the wheel.

  16. A driving instructor told my daughter 2 months ago that the “indicate leaving roundabout” didnt apply to single lane roundabouts. Is that now defunct advise or is that covered by “unless it is not practical to do so”. By the way, that last clause is terrible in a law isnt it – too open to interpretation.

  17. I have understood that indicating when you leave a roundabout has ALWAYS been the rule, yet few people do so.
    In fact, when I upgraded my heavy vehicle licence about 2 years ago, my instructor advised me that not indicating when leaving a roundabout would constitute a “fail” at my licence test.
    The mobile phone rule is a good one, I wonder if the authorities will ever tackle the use of hand held microphones for two way radios in cars and trucks ? Could be a difficult one.

    • Having had and still have a two way radio (CB) the conversation usually is short and to the point whereas the phone users usually text or talk for many a minute.

    • The big problem I have with the mobile phone law is that it applies even to cars stuck in traffic jams. Making a call when stopped in traffic cannot be considered by any sensible person as dangerous – but the police still issue fines (punishments) for it. Punishing innocent people is not part of civilized society and the police do it far too often.

  18. I believe the roundabout signalling rules became the general rule in all states & territories 4 or 5 years ago.
    In the ACT (surely the prime Autralian Rounabout city) the original news was greeted with derision.
    Everyone knew the convention is that you indicatedright or left when entering a roundabout when turning right or left, or NO INDICATION if going straight ahead – regardless of the size of the roundabout.
    This convention works perfectly.
    Why change something that works well? It will probably lead to more accidents.

    • Of course it hasn’t changed at all. Read the rules 109 to 118. You will see that the rules are exactly as you described in the halcion days in the ACT of old.
      I wish poeople could think a little more, and actually READ the rules..

    • From what I understand of the rule “as long as it is fixed and does not obstruct the drivers view” It should be noted that drivers who have items hanging from the rear view mirror are being booked and forced to remove them as they constitute an article or item that obstructs the drivers view. Just because you may see a driver with an offending article just means they haven’t been booked as yet..

  19. I guess the rule about signalling left when leaving a roundabout “unless it is not practical to do so” includes those teeny weeny roundabouts one comes across all the time? There’s hardly time to signal because it’s literally 2-3 seconds actually in the roundabout before you’re out again. They’re so small, the buses drive straight over them. You all know the ones I mean!

  20. When did you last see police booking anyone for using a mobile phone while driving, even though every other driver seems to do it?

    • When was the 1st time your saw somebody get booked for not Keeping Left Unless Overtaking ?

      I see lots of people getting booked but how would you know what for unless you stopped and asked ?

      • Don’t get me started on the keep right unless overtaking. The problem is that you can quite legally be in the right lane, doing the speed limit, and (albeit slowly) overtaking a car in a left lane, only to be harassed by a driver who clearly wants to exceed the speed limit, and wants you to move to the left lane when there is insufficient space – whatever happened to the 2-second rule…..?
        It’s a different matter if someone is travelling slower than the speed limit, but what about a red P-plate is overtaking a learner – he shouldn’t be forced to go at 80, and can go no faster than 90! You have to learn some patience, iI feel.

  21. Giving way to pedestrians when turning at an intersection.

    Which moron thought of this one?

    Since when does a pedestrian have the right of way if there is no marked crossing?

    This has just opened a can of worms! Pedestrians will think they have right of way all the time and it will be the poor motorist that gets blamed if something occurs….what has happened to the age old pedestrian rule that we were taught when kids at school about looking left and right and making sure there are no cars before crossing a road…has this gone by the wayside?

    • Agreed re the pedestrian having right of way. What idiot came up with this one, especially when there is no pedestrian crossing.
      How many accidents will occur when a driver is turning right and a pedestrian decides to cross the road in front of that vehicle and that vehicle has to stop with vehicles coming down the road from the drivers left. No problem when at a set of traffic lights but total mayhem otherwise…

    • This has always been the case, again another rule just being re-clarified. Pedestrians DO have the right of way at uncontrolled crossings where the driver is entering a side street. Leart it on my car test, was asked about it years later for my MR knowledge test and again for my my HR test. Not sure where the confusion comes from – but only about 1% of drivers adhere to this long standing rule.

    • What about a person who just decides to cross the road at a roundabout. Total mayhem unless ALL drivers decide to be curteous at the same time as there are no marked crossings at roundabouts. Someone better go back and simplify things like
      ” all pedestrians must give way to any vehicle prior to attempting to cross then road except at marked pedestrian crossings”

      • Another problem with roundabouts. There is NO provision for pedestrians at all….I guess I can see the pragmatism, which is part of the reason we have this hideous things instead of lights – but still, Shame, shame.

  22. Seems to me more emphasis should be put on the rule that the first vehicle reaching or on the roundabout has right of way. In Sydney this is not the case as ALL drivers I come across entering from your right think they have right of way and NEVER slow down to enter the roundabout causing the driver already at the roundabout to slow, stop and give way to the right even if the other vehicle is more than 5 metres away from the roundabout

  23. Seems to me it is just pointless having a law subject to a condition (“unless it is not practical to do so”) which is dependent on the exercise of judgement. Personally, I take the view that it is NEVER practical to indicate in the manner prescribed. If you get the timing just a bit early, the driver waiting on your left will assume that he/she can proceed; if you wait till you are past that vehicle, you are just about through the roundabout. For the life of me, I cannot see any benefit arising from this regulation – but it does introduce a quite dangerous element of ambiguty into what is already a fraught situation for many drivers.

  24. NSW drivers still drive through roundabouts using the old give way to the right rule, therefore if you are on their left they just keep on driving through the roundabout. If only drivers would feed like a zip it would make the traffic run alot smoother. I come through a roundabout in Artarmon every day wanting to turn right around the roundabout. The traffic coming from my right just keep driving, only stopping for traffic coming from their right. Most people going the way I go just sit and wait for traffic coming from the right to end.

  25. Regarding roundabouts: consider this – roundabouts are simply sections of road that are circular. On an ‘ordinary’ straight section of road a driver must indicate to turn left, as also with changing lanes on a multi-lane stretch of road. You CAN’T turn RIGHT at a roundabout, because ALL turns OFF the roundabout are LEFT turns, and drivers are required to indicate when they turn left. What is infuriating and dangerous is when unskilled and uncaring motorists fail to turn off their RIGHT indicator when exiting a roundabout after making a turn of more than 180 degrees.

    • Finally, someone with half a brain- of course you can”t turn right to exit a roundabout, ( unless you’re driving in a country where they drive on the right.) Nor can you drive straight thru a roundabout ( they are round, not square) Wherever you exit you have to turn the wheel to the left, hence you have to indicate left !!!

  26. these new changes are not dire ….. what is however, when can the Gvmt finally see sense and make L and P Platers be able to safely do the same speed limit as everyone else around???

    They’ll never learn to drive to the conditions, its frustrating for every other road user, its dangerous of you’re on a motor cycle, and the Gvmt will always be breeding a generation of law breakers coz speeds are never kept/maintained because you’re a danger on the road to be doing 30kms under the speedlimit at times!

    If things are going to be changed/improved – how about starting here where it actually matters to people!

  27. The give way rules at roundabouts are so poorly understood – especially the small ones transplanted into local streets. If it has been inserted into a T intersection, most drivers on the top of the T will drive as if they have right-of-way over the terminating road, which is not the case on a roundabout.

    At four-way junctions, usually the drivers who feel they are on the “main” road will drive as if they have right-of-way. This is most dangerous were drivers on both roads feel they are on the “main” road.

    The whole concept of giving way to the right just doesn’t exist in reality on small roundabouts… it’s every car for themselves.

  28. with the u turn across unbroken line single or double, how is that new that has been rule since day dot.
    As to the give way to pedestrian when turning right Well this is dumb,
    You turn right when clear and safe to do so, have pedrestrian crossing the intersection so you stop to give way blocking the road ,some one eventually comes along from your left t bones your left side and with a bit of luck does not kill your passanger

    • *U turns across unbroken line single or double, I learned that in the 70′s when I learned to drive. There was also a rule then about making 3 point turns across unbroken lines. Has that changed? A driver in front of me did that on my way home from work. I thought she must be turning into a driveway but she was actually making a four point turn.
      * Roundabout indicator courtesy rules have not changed.
      *Pedestrians have always had right of way. This new rule just gives them permission to be stupid. How moronic. They walk out anywhere, never stop at pedestrian crossing before stepping onto the road never look to see if it is safe to cross. When you drive onto a pedestrian crossing to turn right of left they walk out onto the crossing while you are turning.Cars should drive on the foot paths. It might be safer for the pedestrian. It is pedestrians who need education. What happened to the educating police men and women who went to the schools to teach children to stop, look, listen, to cross the road and beware of cars

  29. What ever happened to commonsense.
    it seemed to work fine for a long time, but seems to be a common thing forgotten.
    maybe everyone is in so much of a hurry to get where they are going they forget to enjoy the ride.

  30. Absolute lunacy – more unenforceable,useless and dangerous ‘nanny state’ rules made up by armchair regulators with no driving knowledge or experience and absolutely no common sense. On tight roundabouts it is impossible to turn on a left indicator while turning right until you are actually at the exit you are signalling. Please Explain – what exactly is the point of signalling your exit when you are in it!
    There is no benefit from this innane rule, either safety benefit or benefit for other motorists.
    Another moronic rule is not turning across undivided lines – what about driveways?

    There are now almost 300 road rules for which you can lose points. The points system was started with just two. You should have to earn 100 points to lose your licence now. To earn fines/points for these idiotic offences is nothing more than blatant revenue-raising and motorist intimidation – just like most speeding and all main-road school zones. Our road system is being operated by peanuts for the minority morons – control freaks trying to over-regulate everyone’s lives.

    Let’s get traffic moving and flowing again in our gridlocked, over-regulated cities. How about enforcing keep-left rules, penalising road-hoggers, introducing Turn Left on Red at all interesections (like many US cities), and getting rid of ridiculous light-cycles, turn-arrows and unnecessary pedestrian crossings.

  31. I was always taught to indicate when exiting a roundabout. thought that was the way everyone was meant to exit. But seriously, how about fix some of the other rules, like someone above commented, people driving with one arm out the window.

  32. We have just nearly had an accident because a person signalled left when entering a round about. We began to enter the round about assuming the other driver was turning left when in fact he was going straight ahead years of driving and completing defensive driving courses gave to the skills to not collide with the other driver however not all people will be do lucky.

    I believe a licence is a privilege not a right, all drivers should have to take mandatory driving tests once every 5 years included in the price of their licence to ensure they are still driving to the correct road rules and to educate anyone who has picked up a bad habit

    • I totally agree that all drivers should have to take a driving test every 5 years. I took a driving test at age 85, 87 and 89 and found that it was not only a good experience but made me make myself aware of the current road rules. In the first test, my only “infringement” was parallel parking a little more that 500mm from the kerb. On the other two, evevry box ticked OK.
      To know the rules is an obligation — to drive to the rules is a courtesy to other road users. Frequently I drive behind drivers who don’t seem to know that their car has indicators ! Reading many of the comments here has made me realise even more that many either lack basic driving skills or they lack the will to be courteous. Regular driving tests could be the key to attending to bothof these.

  33. I still get confused. When I enter a roundabout, and I go straight, why do I need to indicate left?. I agree with Alisha, if someone indicates left too early before exiting the roundabout, it is bound to cause accidents. I dont understand the point of indicating left when exiting!. You either indicate to turn right or indicate to turn left or if going straight don’t indicate at all !!!

    • Don’t forget some roundabouts are more than 4-way, so there may not be a “go straight” path when you take one of the exits.
      How would you expect other drivers to know which exit you are taking?

    • Don’t forget that some large roundabouts are more than 4-way, so there may not be a straight forward “go straight” path when you take one of the many exits.
      How would you expect other drivers to know which exit you are taking?
      How hard is it to simply flick the indicator? I can do it anytime at any steering angle with my manual car, even when I need to shift hears while inside the roundabout.

      • Good one. There is good sense in the rule in a LARGE roundabout, because it indicates to those about to enter, that you are leaving. It aids traffic flow, but you take your life in your hands, because it is clear from these post, that most of you have never READ the road rules (109 to 118). Go on the web, the RMS site, and read the Australian Road Rules 2004 (as amended). Pretty easy stuff.

  34. All roundabouts should be only one lane, you would only have to indicate left when exiting. If the roundabout has two lanes, the left lane must take the first turn left. This would make it easy for the vehicle in the right hand lane to move to the left hand lane to exit.
    A long vehicle e.g. a bus would operate as they do now.

    • To David – your statement, in relation to your wish to see only single lane roundabouts, is one thing, but then you say: “If the roundabout has two lanes, the left lane must take the first turn left. This would make it easy for the vehicle in the right hand lane to move to the left hand lane to exit” This is just another of the misinformed bits of stuff that comes from not reading the Rules (rules 109 to 118). You are ABLE to go straight ahead from the right lane, so that you leave the roundabout in the right lane. It is dangerous in the extreme to think that you should move to the left lane. Think again, and READ THE RULE.

  35. Please,PLEASE…spend some tax money RTA and put a sign on EVERY roundabout that says “give way to traffic already in the roundabout”.Some how we have to stop this rediculous game of “chicken” that has become the norm…and hopefully make a roundabout work the way it was intended..

  36. No hassle re the round-about rule – been doing it for a while. Re the holding of mobile phones – okay, the rules are set ‘to contribute to safer driving’. The rule evidently has 4 sector exceptions – some truck-drivers, some migrant sectors, some police & the majority of ‘P’-platers…
    I encounter these groups daily, not only holding, but also using their mobile phones and it definitely influences their driver-attention. If one doesn’t have blu-tooth connectivity in their car, how does one report the offenders?
    I have learned in my journeys as both a motorist & a passenger, that the majority of P-platers have their own set of road rules & their idea of ‘courtesy’ is to ‘offencively own-the-road in their noise-on-four-wheels’.
    So while the rest of us are adapting to new rules, what of those who consider themselves as exceptions – are we (expected) to continue compensating for them? Have the rules been made to protect us from them, or them from us?

    • Anybody and everyone can report any motorist to the police for breaking a rule or Law, You must take notes, time, date, location, model, rego. number, male-female and the broken rule/law.
      The police will issue a fine through the post, the offender can pay or contest the fine, you are then obliged, (read compulsory) to attend the offenders Court to varify your claim, unfortunately, the offence might happen in your suburb, but the driver lives in Broken Hill, where he will contest the charge, you MUST attend the Court, otherwise you will be fined for Contempt of Court

      If you’ve got the time and money, go for it, but, you can report them, but prepare for consequences.

  37. The indicating left when leaving a roundabout doesn’t seem new to me as I was thought this 15years ago when learning to drive. However some people seem to interpret this that when ENTERING a round about and going straight you indicate left, however this is completely dangerous and hound not be done as drivers may misunderstand your intentions and pull out in font of you.

  38. Having corrected THE manager of RTA Years ago on roundabout laws there are _TWO laws conflicting now ie: Federal licencing and state laws now implemented. Please correct me that in going straight through a roundabout no need at all to use your turn signal as this was the case when I got my licence.

  39. Why all the fuss. Roundabouts are easy. David has the right idea. Treat them as 1 lane. In two lane roundabouts you can only turn left or go staright through from the left lane, so you indicate left, or not all for stragiht ahead. From the right lane you either go straight ahead (don’t indicate) or turn right (indicate such). You cannot turn right from the left lane or left from the right lane. It’s simple.
    And Dennis K Adams, it is bad etiqutte to use capitals – it’s the same as yelling.

    • Some roundabouts do not let u go straight ahead from the right hand lane due to the markings on the road or signposts saying “Right lane must turn Right”. What really makes me angry are the idiots who go straight ahead from the right hand lane when it clearly states that u must turn right or the markings on the road only show a right turn arrow. People just need to wake up and pay attention. Less accidents that way!!

  40. What a joke. Most drivers in my area don’t know what indicators are for. Even at a normal crossroad, at least five out of ten drivers do not make any signal before turning, right or left, and the same goes for changing lanes on a multi lane road, all of which are far more dangerous than roundabouts. Obviously there are not enough police to catch these drivers, so it’s much easier to have police sitting beside roundabouts raising money. I’ve been driving every day for over 50 years and have not seen one accident at a roundabout.

  41. while living a country town in to 80′s a roundabout was constructed and the brochure distributed at the time advised tha the blinker indicating you were leaving a roundabout was to be given when you had reached the lane on the left immediately br=efore you intended leaving the roundabout. I thought that this rule was again advertised a few years ago – has the rule changed in NSW or is it that the rule is now going to be policed. I have always given an indicator when leaving a roundabout and as I give it at the lane immediately left before I am going to leave the roundabout I have never had any trouble with my blinker cutting off. Yes the big problems are when a driver gives a left blinker as they are entering the roundabout then goes ahead and another is when a driver gives a right hand blinker and goes straight ahead – again found one of these today, don’t know how they work out that you need to use the right hand blinker to go straight ahead.

  42. It’s about time that the law stated turn left indicators must be used when exiting. Each day I am stuck at a roundabout with drivers indicating right when they turn off at the exit that I am trying to enter from it is Russian Roulette as some drivers are continuing right.

    • Dear Don – I just don’t understand the last bit. If their right hand indicator is on, they are turning right – is that so hard to grasp? That is the point of the rule to indicate left when leaving, isn’t it. I am confused.

      • People turning right often leave their right indicator on as they are about exit, signalling to other drivers waiting to enter that they are continuing through the roundabout (possibly doing a u turn). So frustrating.

  43. We need police driving the roads every day, especially the congested roads in peak times, to be able to make more people aware of the law of not holding their mobile phones and whilst ever we don’t have more police on the roads, the irresponsible, disrespectful drivers using mobiles will continue to do so.

  44. If the mobile phone is connected via blue tooth to the vehicles blue tooth (note not secured in a commercially designed and manufactured fixed mounting) or in use via a blue tooth headset for the mobile is that legal in NSW?

  45. In the roundabout diagram above (and on the RTA website)…
    Why does the driver of the orange car have his Right hand blinker on when he is turning left? That seems misleading…

  46. From what I remember of the road rules from 10, 15 and 20 years ago, there is NOTHING NEW in these so called ‘new’ rules / changes…It has ALWAYS been illegal to handle a mobile phone whilst the driver of a vehicle, unless parked.
    Indicating your intent to leave a roundabout has also ALWAYS been in the road rules.
    What hasn’t ALWAYS happened is police have NOT enforced any of these rules on a regular basis, as all they (and the RTA) seem to care about is speeding and drink driving – (ie: politics)….Case in point – the next time you’re on the F3, F6, M2, M4 or any other two lane carriage way with a speed zone of greater than 80km/h, and/or is sign posted as “keep left unless overtaking”, just take note of how many drivers are not obeying the “Keep Left Unless Overtaking” law, or for that matter, when was the last time you saw the driver in front of you indicate or even check their blind spot before changing lanes ? yet, how many times have you seen someone pulled over for any of these ? In my 30 years of driving, and close to a million kms travelled, I’ve seen NOT one person pulled over for these.
    So called ‘introducing’ these ‘new’ mobile phone / roundabout laws will not have any effect in the long run as they will not be actively policed, say, after three months from now.
    There are more than just two road rules (speeding/drink driving), so why aren’t they all enforced ? Just ask to your friendly Highway Patrol Officer the next time you see him set up at his stealthy speed trap, why he’s there, instead of enforcing all the other road rules. He’ll tell you it’s all politically motivated, not safety motivated.

  47. Agree with Graham! The basic (unaltered and universal Australian) rule for roundabouts is:”Give way to traffic on your right”! Observe that rule, and indicate “turning left” before whichever exit you are taking, and we shall all know what we are all doing, shall we not?? Another point – the lane markings on the roundabout diagram at the top of the article are very confusing. If you are at the bottom of the diagram (say South) and you are in the left lane and intending to go North (ie 2nd exit), note how your lane disappears and then reappears – I wonder who thought up that!!

    • Universal rule is to give way to any traffic you may potentially hit in a round about, as it happens in this country it is always the traffic coming from the right

    • You are a real problem. You insist on doing something that is contrary to law, and therefore you will put others at risk. When will you poeple realise that a roundabout is completely different to a “normal” intersection, in the same way a T-intersection has some not-so-subtle give way rule differences to the “normal” intersection, and I wonder if you make the decision to ignnore that one as well.

  48. Indicating left upon exiting when traveling straight ahead, is a courtesy to oncoming traffic, so they know you are not going to turn across their path, thereby allowing them to enter the roundabout sooner, as they don’t have to wait for you to pass.
    It is very important not to signal left upon entering the roundabout when traveling straight ahead,as vehicles on your left will enter in front of you thinking you are exiting at their road.

  49. Re roundabout blinkers….

    Guys this rule applies to multi lane roundabouts, as the picture describes. It does not describe indicating while going straight. It’s never practical to indicate while going straight or exiting small single lane round abouts.

    This rule about giving way to pedestrians while turning right is just stupid!!!!

    • Whilst the diagram is showing a multi lane roundabout the rule applies to all roundabouts ( the rule is titled ” Signalling at a Roundabout” and no mention of multi lane only )

        • There are endless roundabout configurations and it would be cumbersome to show diagrams of all of these so an illustration is shown and is indicative only. I do not find any ambiguity in this rule or the existing roundabout rules

  50. Pardon me, but hands free mounted phone holder or not, you’re still going to be distracted by the phone and equally likely to have an accident. I don’t give a crap if you’re holding it in your hot little hand or swiping the frickin’ thing to take a call or adjust a map – same diff!!! Who the frick came up with that stupid rule?!!!

  51. The NSW (& some other state) governments lost the plot as soon as roundabouts were introduced because they didn’t teach the motoring public how to use them correctly and left motorists to sort it out for themselves, thereby leaving us with the mess we have now. The correct way to use a roundabout is to indicate on leaving only. There is no need to indicate when approaching or when on the roundabout because a) you have right of way over traffic not on the roundabout, as indicated by the give way signs on entry and b) you can only go in one direction until you exit anyway. At least WA, where I was living at the time, got this right until they were bullied into a compromise with the rest of the states that has resulted in this indicating frenzy we have now (and I don’t often praise my former domicile).

  52. Single or double unbroken lines SHOULD mean just that – DO NOT BREAK -
    I just encountered 3 examples of cars stopping to turn right into driveways
    of -Chemists – Medical Centre and Music shop at busy 4.00 pm on Crown St.
    between Wollongong and West Wollongong – approx 1 Km – and I think it is the height of arrogance and inconsideration of these drivers to cause the chaos that
    resulted. Hope all their chickens turn into emus and kick etc.etc.

  53. I was taught these roundabout signalling rules when I got my NSW licence about 16 years ago so it’s not very new, and it’s not complicated. You signal your INtention on the way IN and signal Left to Leave. Anything other than using a left indicator to leave (eg not indicating at all to leave) relies completely on you knowing where that other car entered the roundabout. At some of the large roundabouts you may not have even been at the roundabout when the car now approaching from your right entered it (yes, in ACT some are that big!) so how will you know if it is exiting, and consequently whether it is safe for you to enter? Left indicator means ‘leaving at the next exit’.

  54. Thankfully, there are sufficient comments that I agree with, that when going straight through a roundabout, there is no reason to indicate with the left indicator. I have witnessed drivers indicating left upon entering a roundabout,, and near misses occurring.

    “you must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout.”

    very confusing – does that mean to some motorists FIRST IN BEST DRESSED?. I always thought it best to give way to vehicles entering from the right and that vehicles to my left should giveway to me?
    i see on some occasions cars darting though not giving way cars on thier right…

    • If you still have the give way to the right rule at roundabouts there would be no use having the roundabout. Think about it, if your not in the roundabout you cant force others to stop and give way when your not there yet, seems very fair to me, first in best dressed, enforced courtesy for those that don’t have it.

    • There should be a speed hump one meter from the entrance of all roundabouts. This will slow down all traffic entering, thereby giving other traffic entering an opportunity to enter. The number of times I have nearly been hit by cars not slowing when entering, they think “I’m going fast and on their right I’ll just barge in”.

  56. what happen to the old days where you gave way to the right except on main roads even when emerging. i still do it i find no problems and i’ve been driving since 1950 s. remember the old days when we had no indicators and no break lights. the hand strait out for a right hand, over the roof for a left turn, straight up to stop plus at the same time change gears and steer. while they are on the new rules for roundabouts why not bring distance rule for when driving on freeways. the faster you drive the bigger breaking space instead of someone up your arse or jumping in your breaking space than they have to break. talking about roundabouts what about the ones that have trees or big plants. you can’t see the traffic. simple rule give way traffic in the roundabout weather turning right left or straight. it’s the ones turning right without indicators cause a problem. i think i have a pretty good driving record about three mashers over fifty years and not my fault. you can change all the rules on the road but you can’t change idiots. why can’t the rta send out pamphlets out to all licence drivers instead of us hearing through the media and the net. some don’t have internet and i try not to watch the news as it is all bad.

  57. please please please – can the RTA lay down RIPPLE STRIPS IN SCHOOL ZONES FROM BEGINING TO THE END~ School zones are ment to be there for safety so that drivers can slow down and be alert for kids on the road. Fair enough to be fined and issued a penalty for speeding through. If one isn’t familiar to an area, its easy to go through a school zone with out realising until one sees the “end school zone 60kmhr” sign that I have done many times travelling across greater Sydney. Therefore I have unknowingly possibly risked the life of a young child. I might find out about it a week later by getting a fine in mail. therefore the risk is multiplied for each time I passed through with out knowing. RIPPLE STRIPS would alert a driver !!! SCHOOL ZONE !!! speed, its then your choice, same for speed cameras in black spots, ripple strips would encourage drivers to be alert, and maybe give defence whether speed cameras a revenue raisers??.

  58. There has never been a rule of “give way to the right” at a roundabout. The law states “give way to a vehicle already in the roundabout” but does not give a definition as to what “already in the roundabout” actually means. Does it mean your front wheels have crossed the line first or must you be completely in the roundabout (by which time you would already be on the way out in most small metro roundabouts)? Most drivers assume give way to the right because of self preservation but it just isn’t correct. On most of these small roundabouts it is clearly impractical to indicate left when you are leaving as you are barely only 2 car lengths in the roundabout before you are out again. In this area, common sense should prevail.

    • This rule was there right from the begining, when I learned driving from the professional driving school, it was wonderful, I still practice this rule, whether any cars there or not or anyone sees or not. its quite safe even for the padestrains who crossess from the unauthorised crossing, My opnion is that learners should learn driving from the AUTHORISED DRIVING SCHOOLS and this important chapters of the driving lessons hould be strictly in the test.

      I have seen many drivers they forget to put the blinkers back on if it is turn off automatically with some reasons, Need great concentation on blinkers before any inpact and instead of blaming others.

      Even in a high way, drivers forget to put the blinkers on during the changing of lanes, they keep going like a snake zig zag without blinkers. or forget to turn the blinkers off and keep driving.

      Oh Yeh please BLINKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!! please please !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The blinkers saves the life, not the good cars.

      No matter what the objects are in the car, distruction always there either way ,can be kids or radio or any items in the car. Enough all drives have lot of responsible during driving, ears, eyes , hands and legs, brain are in the action for the safe driving. All we need is the knowledge of driving and contration, coutesy.

      Life is short, be safe and live long.

  59. So, Australia (or NSW, at least) creeps another inch forward in bringing standards and rules up to those of first-world countries. Next, maybe we can tackle indicating in general, lane discipline, and, the biggest challenge of all for Australians, COURTESY on the roads. Once all that’s been achieved, perhaps we can get to grips with safer road design (for example, not having slip roads entering the outside (overtaking) lane (what genius dreamt up that concept?), proper motorways (we don’t have any); and pro-active and professional highway policing, instead of the amateurish, third-rate, revenue-focused, rather than safety-focused approach to which we are currently subjected. Maybe we could also have an integrated, national standard, rather than the current, piecemeal arrangement with little or no coordination between the statelets. Maybe…

  60. The road rule I would love to see changed is that learners can only do 80kph – there should be an exception on 110kph highways to do 100kph because it’s so dangerous watching traffic almost collecting the poor little L driver, it creates an added stress to the learner and supervising passenger – Please NRMA – why does NSW have such a ridiculously dangerous approach to learners when other states let their L drivers do the speed limit? If a learner feels they are not comfortable doing 100kph then stay off 110kph roads until they are.

  61. In NSW particularly Sydney, many “roundabouts” are a dome in the middle of an existing suburban cross roads. I drive a Rolls Royce, which is longer than the diameter of most of these “roundabouts”, so at what point am I supposed to signal off?
    I also concur that my vehicle signal (blinker) arm cannot be activated when the steering wheel is turned. I was attempting to follow this stupid and impractical legislation today whilst driving, sorry guys my vehicle cannot comply!!!!!!!!!!!

  62. The new rule for display units states that a unit must be held in commercially designed and manufactured fixed mounting. “Fixed mounting” is not defined in the NSW Road Rules 2008, the Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management) Act 1999 No 20 or the newly updated regulation. Does a “commercially designed and manufactured fixed mounting” include the suction cup windscreen mount type supplied with my GPS unit or not? I don’t see that being particularly fixed as I can move it to another car.

  63. Interesting that the law now allows us to overtake a vehicle displaying “do not overtake…” on the left hand side.
    When I first got my license in 1959, I overtook a vehicle on the left who was giving a clear right-hand turn signal (arm outstretched in those days). As I got closer to the vehicle , it suddenly turned left. Kaboom! The driver of the other vehicle told the cops that she had given a clear left-hand turn signal. I was fined 5 pounds with one pound court costs – my only traffic infringement in my 53 years of driving.
    We need to be very cautious about overtaking on the left, just in case the other driver has given the wrong blinker.

  64. I will stop talking on my cars inbuilt bluetooth handsfree system when everybody else stops having conversations while driving. Some even turn to look at the person they are conversing with. Which is the more dangerous?
    It is all to do with concentrating on what you are doing.

  65. Wouldnt it be great IF we could get rid of the morons holding their phones while driving?..Unfortunately we would need a new Police Force to enforce the law…perhaps we could take a photo of them on OUR mobile phones and dob them in….while we are driving..GOOD LUCK with THIS law.

  66. I was taught to drive in England . Yes I indicate at roundabouts ,but in Sydney they are mainly pimples at intersection’s making it impossable to indicate on unless you drive at 5 KPM.With the police currently chasing revenue I have reservations about its inforcement.

  67. I see a loophole in the roundabout law, but also a saving grace for all who feel put out by this impractical “signal left before you exit” rule, particularly when your vehicle is effectively moving in a straightforward direction. The explanation is set out for all of us. Just tell the officer that it was not practical to do so. I have that indelibly imprinted into my psyche already. The reason? Because it’s true. QED.

    • So when you are on the roundabout, how does any one know where you came from to know that you are going Straight Ahead????

      Maybe it’s beyond you? Should you be driving?

      • No, it’s not beyond me. The laws of physics dictate that if you have the steering wheel in a position such that your vehicle goes in a straight line, then your vehicle indeed goes in a straight line, mechanical faults excluded. And as long as a person’s eyes are functioning adequately, it should always be possible to see a straight line of travel taking place. Where a vehicle has come from is relevant neither to the rules nor observation of the direction in which a vehicle is traveling. A straight line is a straight line.

        I trust that’s not beyond you.

  68. Confusing?
    What does this mean (from page 2 of the pdf)?

    Pedestrians or cyclists crossing roads at lights
    If traffic lights change to yellow or red while a pedestrian or cyclist is crossing the road at the lights, they may continue to the far side of the road (as intended).
    Penalty: $66

  69. Please also advertise that a bicycle can continue around a multiple lane roundabout in the left hand lane, drivers exiting from the center lane must be made aware they must give way – the provision about avoiding a collision with other road users.

  70. Great to see the round-about change to get people actively indicating correctly at the right time, so as not confuse other motorists who are giving way just prior to the intended exit.
    E.g. There is a very large roundabout at Oak Flats above the Princes Hwy that has been the result on a number of accidents, because of confusion. Some drivers are still indicating a right blinker for a long period and then turn left to exit with no change of indication, when in fact there was plenty of time to indicate their intention well before that exit.
    Perhaps in some locations such as Oak Flats, a sign could be installed “to indicate your intention” may assist to remind motorists and to avoid an accident.

  71. Now we have the Indication thing sorted can we Advertise the “Give Way to Traffic IN the roundabout.
    That means if you are approaching a Roundabout and there is a Car comming in from the left ahead of you he can pull onto the roundabout and you have to stop!!!

    A Roundabout is not a Chicane to be wipped through just because you can!

  72. I first got my licence in UK and roundabouts are common. The new rules are standard there I have always done what the new rules require.
    People riding bicycles are not pedestrians and should dismount if using a pedestrian crossing but they do not. They fredquently go through red lights, if they want to be treated the same as other road user then they must obey the same rules.
    I agree re mobile phones for “texting” but it was continuous source of friction in my marriage that I did not like the radio being on whilst I was driving and I was not a conversationalist at the same time as well. When I am driving, I am driving not socialising.
    What about the use of CB radio?
    What about changing radio stations?
    What about changing CDs?
    The police use radios, are monitoring Speed Detection radar and Number Plate Recognition systems plus who knows what else – does this make them safe drivers? By their comments the answer is no
    I qualified as a driver thru the London Metropolitan Police Driver Course, used to have a CAMS Rally driving licence and have driven, literally, the length and breadth of Australia . Also have been driving for over 45 years. The closest I came to having a fatal accident was with a police car that was overtaking on a blind bend.
    I taught my sons to drive and strongly emphasised “situational awareness”.
    The answer is better young driver training and a return to the “Prima Facie” speed limits that used to exist in NT and SA.
    The vast majority of Australians spend 50 weeks a year driving in an urban environment and are not used to driving at speed for lengths of time.
    Speed does not kill – Unaccustomed Speed Kills.
    Bring in a licence that differentiates between those who are used to driving long distances and those that are not

  73. I have been signalling at roundabouts in this fashion since day one. Let the other road users understand your intention of go – don’t be mean and selfish. Help people help not hit you or your car – don’t be silly and stupid.

  74. This is the way I see it when you intend to continue going straight ahead at a roundabout. In large roundabouts you wouldn’t be going straight ahead, but going around a short distance and then signalling “left” to continue on – easy.

    With the very small roundabouts you will find built into many intersections, there is no room to safely indicate “left” when you are going straight ahead after entering the roundabout – it is not practical to do so.

  75. I have been indicating left when exiting a roundabout for quite some time now as it was discussed in the media a while ago. There are some drivers out on the road, including bus drivers and taxi drivers, that are still indicating incorrectly. It is not difficult, just read the information and put it in to practice! How hard can it be? As for phones, everyday i see people illegally using phones in the vehicles. Wake up to yourself and save your phone for when you are NOT driving.

  76. Roundabouts – NO problems at all with the indication ruling – been doing it for years. Pedestrians would appreciate it to so they can cross knowing a vehicle is exiting or not. Police seem to ignore the rule fullstop especially in my town – no indications at all.
    Giving way to pedestrians at unmarked intersections – now that IS crazy, as others have mentioned most likely t-bone vehicles.
    What about rail crossings – ok lights red or flashing you must stop OK If the lights flash when crossing hurry & finish crossing – Fine $66 really, is that because you failed to hurry or what?? IDIOTS at work again

  77. I can’t see the roundabout exit rule working here in Tassie. Some people here indicate when they enter a round about but very very very few indicater they are leaving a roundabout.I think I once saw a cop car indicate they were leaving a round about, but the indicator blinked for one click.

  78. I understand that under the law there is no excuse for ignorance. However I am sick and tired of governments using this excuse. If laws are changed then why are not changes sent out with Registration/Licence renewals, other Government propaganda. Surely there is an onus that Road Law changes be notified to road users.
    I only heard on the weekend that there were some changes coming up to be introduced soon. I have asked my family and friends if they know anything about what they are.No one had any idea what they were only some had heard it was happening on the 1st November. Why is it left to the NRMA to send an email out to its registered members.

    Only this week I looked on the RTA website for these changes. I emailed the RTA asking to be advised by email of any road law changes. I received the email below that there was no system in place to do this.

    RMS Contact Centre
    09:53 (13 hours ago) to me
    Dear Peter

    Thank you for your email.

    There is currently no system in place that advises customers directly of the changes in road rules.



  79. There should be a speed hump one meter from the entrance of all roundabouts. This will slow down all traffic entering, thereby giving other traffic entering an opportunity to enter. The number of times I have nearly been hit by cars not slowing when entering, they think “I’m going fast and on their right I’ll just barge in”.

    • What a great idea, that would slow down all those arrogant and hoon drivers. It will give those more timid drivers a chance to enter the round-a-bout

  80. I can’t believe how many people don’t know when to indicate when in (or approaching) a round-a-bout. Didn’t you read your handbooks when tested? You turn on your (left) indicator to exit the round-a-bout as the nose of your car (truck or any other vehicle) meets the island of the exit immediately before the exit your wish to take. Most of the time, that’s when you stop turning your steering wheel to the right.
    Note; You never turn right to enter or leave a round-a-bout.
    I only indicate with the right blinker if the round-a-bout is one of those oversized silent cop types they call round-a-bouts, because of the danderous situation they present if you don’t.
    In my opinion, round-a-bouts are built incorrectly. They are built with slip lanes for entering an leaving them. They should be built with slip lanes on the exits only. This will force the lazy, arrogant and hoon drivers to slow down, approach and enter the round-a-bouts in a safe maner and speed, and not use them as a race track. E.G. I was driving a HR truck and came to a round-a-bout (R.A.B.). I slowed down to give way and saw that the R.A.B. was clear with only two cars approaching from the right. They were approximately 50 – 60 meters away. As they were not in or near the R.A.B., I continued and entered the R.A.B. only the have the driver of the first car blast his horn and yell abouse at me because he had to slow down and not race through the R.A.B. (as he was intenting to do).
    On a different subject: People please check your tail and brake lights. I am sick to death of seeing cars (and other vehicles) with one, two or all of there lights not working.

  81. I believe smoking, eating and drinking should also be illegal while driving. I was stopped at lights then moving slowly, the man behind me was lighting up a cigarette and ran into the back of my car. His focus was on his cigarette instead of noticing traffic had stopped again.

  82. While roundabout can be confusing, practicality shows:
    If you want to turn left – indicate left!
    If you want to go straight through – indicate left when exiting if you can!
    If you want to turn right – indicate right then left when exiting if you can!

    However, roundabouts can be confusing to all! The first issue is physically how big it is. Secondly, does it have two lanes. Large roundabouts with two lanes should not physically cause anyone a problem to indicate left when exiting. In Victoria the rule has been indicate (left) when exiting the roundabout when practical to do so. On many small single lane roundabouts is it physically impossible to indicate when exiting – you just can’t do it as you run out of hands when steering.
    The other issue with roundabouts is that drivers do not treat them as a normal intersection for indications. When entering a four way roundabout and you wish to use the second exit it is like using a straight cross-road where you are going straight ahead. Other than indicating when exiting no other indication should be used. Many drivers indicate a right turn when entering a roundabout then go straight ahead. Most confusing to other drivers.

  83. I find that many motorists incorrectly signal right turn before entering or whilst on a roundabout (with 4 entry/exits) when intending to travel “straight through”. This is WRONG and creates a dangerous situation for following vehicles who intend exiting at the “straight ahead” point and who have CORRECTLY indicated left just prior to that exit point and move to the left of them to suddenly find that they then exit left.

  84. Whilst wonderful to see the law catching up on mobile phones. the reason that people abuse the law is that it is just not policed enough. As a cyclist i am only too aware of how often people use phones and have had numerous (on a daily basis) misses. At least one of us has their eye on the road.

    As for roundabouts..once again speeding towards and though roundabouts is so common its not funny. This is particularity so on the small ones. Even this morning i was almost taken out. Cyclists don’t seem to visible to motorists here. Having just come back from the USA, it is even more obvious to me that Sydney drivers and habits are APPALLING AND DANGEROUS TO THE EXTREME.

  85. Using your left indicator as you exit a roundabout HMM! at which point is the actual point of exit, whilst using the roundabout thats before & as you straighten the steering wheel thats after. the egg & chicken theory

  86. Pretty much ALL these “new rules” were around when I got my license exept the last about overtaking a vehicle that has do not overtake turning vehicle this new law I think we cause some problems as some people will not take some points into consideration when they try to do this. I work for a bus company and only recently one of our vehicles were doing what is called a lane share to make a left hand turn at out of a driveway to a school (this driveway is a bit wider than a normal driveway but was not marked as a two lane out driveway, but two cars can safely use it as a two lanes) a woman decided that because our driver was towards the right that he was turning right even though he had his left blinker on she tried to sneak up the left hand side when the bus started to turn it caused an accident even with the sign clearly stating do not overtake turning vehicle she still had the gall to tell our company we had to pay for the damage to her car. This is an example of what can happen when you change a rule like this and expect the public to use common sense as a lot of the drivers who will try to do use this new rule do not have the understanding of the turning circles of these heavy vehicles that have these sign and what turning sometimes takes. Even with this new law in place I still will not overtake a heavy vehicle if possible as I know that sometimes when these vehicles turn they have a tail swing that can take out the side of your car.

  87. The thing that gets me about ROUNDABOUTS is that the law states that you must give way to traffic in the roundabout. That does not mean that if there are 20 cars behind the “car in the roundabout”, you have to give way to all of those cars????????? Just try getting in and see what happens. The law is obviously in need of a shake up, just like the people who are making these decisions.

  88. Most of these rules are common sense things – Don’t use / hold a mobile phone when driving; don’t carry animals on motorbikes; don’t U-turn over continuous lines. Well done, great stuff.
    I can see confusion and accidents being caused by the lack of clarity regarding roundabouts and giving way to pedestrians at unmarked intersections.
    Roundabouts – The illustration shows a roundabout with marked lanes, which is fair enough, but it won’t work on small roundabouts; If you’re turning left or right that’s the only signal that should be required on small roundabouts and how do you signal when you’re going straight ahead; some vehicles can’t go around small roundabouts they have to go over.
    Pedestrians at unmarked intersections – Again the law is unclear, it seems that a pedestrian has unconditional right of way. Pedestrians need to be responsible and should not be allowed to interfere with the flow of traffic.
    The police seem to be unclear about these, I’ve asked!


  89. My concern has always been with double round abouts. I have had a few near misses with vehicles one the inner lane going straight ahead and cars on the outer lane wanting to continue around the round about

  90. My concern is the double roundabouts. I have nearly been wiped out when cars on the inner lane proceed straight ahead and cars on the outside lane continue to turn right to continue around the roundabout.

  91. I received my licence from a Police Sgt in 1963 there were no roundabouts or phones in cars then. I am a retired paramedic with 40 years emergency defensive driving experience and have kept up with all the road rules and have no trouble signaling left out of a roundabout except for some micro small roundabouts when there is no time, I will not enter a small roundabout when a car on my right is signalling left except with extreme caution as some motorists are confused and will drive straight on. I absolutely hate it when you are about to enter a roundabout and some ignorant clown of a driver on your right wants you to believe that he has right of way and will speed up to cut you off even when you are already in the roundabout and then have the audacity to abuse you. While we are on that subject don’t you hate the driver who will pull out from behind you when two lanes go into one drive flat out down the left and then try and force their way in further down the road. There are many more stories about ignorant drivers the responsible ones like us meet them every day on the road.

  92. This rule about giving way to pedestrians when turning is ridiculous in the extreme for the following reasons:

    1. Roads are for traffic and not pedestrians. It is fair enough to have pedestrian crossings and traffic lights that allow for pedestrians to cross the road in a safe manner but essentially road are for the free flow of vehicles.

    2. When turning right as shown in the example in the booklet, shown above, the driver has to look out not only for traffic coming in the opposite direct but also for any pedestrian that is coming from the opposite direction and crossing the side road but also any pedestrian coming from the same direction as the driver and crossing the side road and any pedestrians coming up the side road and wanting to cross the side road.

    3. If this rules applies that a pedestrian can cross at an intersection, how far from the corner is it considered an intersection and therefore the pedestrian has right of way?. Is within 5 metres part of the intersection? Is within 10 metres, 50 metres, etc?

    4. If the car is turning right at say a roundabout and they indicate correctly, etc and then when they have turned into the side street and they have to stop to give way to pedestrians it means they will have to stop on the roundabout which causes more congestion on our roads.

    5. Also in the example shown above, based on the reading of the rules, if the driver is turning from the side street into the main road then they must give way to the pedestrian (regardless of which direction they are turning), HOWEVER if the driver is travelling directly through the intersection then they DO NOT need to give way to the pedestrian as they are not turning.

    6. If turning left you can be travelling along and preparing to turn and the other vehicle coming up behind you. If suddenly a pedestrian decides to cross the side street you need to stop and if it is only a single lane road you are turning from there is a chance you will be rear ended by the following traffic. This occurred to us recently when the person behind us who is a local thought the road ahead was clear however we had stopped to check (as it was a Give Way intersection) and they ran into us. Result. Over $11,000 damage to our car, over $3,000 in hire car fees and the damages to the other drivers car.

  93. It’s about time we had these changes. On large roundabouts you never know whether the drivers are going around or exiting to the left before they reach you. Of course you wait for it to be safe but it’s less stressful if they indicate their intentions. I have always used my indicator when exiting a roundabout (where practical) and have no problems with it. Also too many drivers fly through roundabouts thinking the cars on the left must give way which is wrong and dangerous. The rule is you slowdown and giveway to vehilcles entering or in the roundabout at a safe distance.

    I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve wondered why a driver is not driving safely only to find them on the mobilephone. With the technology we have and some common sense there is no excuse for the driver to hold the phone while in use.

    I agree with Derek with pedestrian laws. I called the Police and they advised pedestrians have right of way crossing from corner to corner at an intersection. There does not have to be a crossing. However, pedestrians cannot just walk out in front of vehicles in an unsafe manner. Both drivers and pedestrians must be prepared to stop and give way. I live near an intersection with lights and pedestrian lights. Some divers making a right turn just plant their foot down and try to beat the pedestrians before they cross. There has been two incidents where pedestrians were hit and one was in a wheel chair! Drivers need to grow up and not act like they own the road. Lets enjoy driving with consideration for others.

  94. Well…
    Did anyone notice the common themes throughout these comments?

    “Morons”, “P Plater’s”, speeders, road hogs and of course the “other Driver”.

    We are ALL supposed to SHARE the road and we ALL expect the “Other Driver” to drive as well as US! Remember that YOU are the “Other Driver” to EVERYONE else!

    A Drivers License is an award for passing a VERY basic skills test. If you have not undertaken additional training (not on a race track!) then how can you think you are better than everyone else?

    Your NOT.

    You, like everyone else will make errors, mistakes, sins and omissions. The only difference between you and I is that I have been taught to acknowledge and learn from mine.

    I just love the excuses that drivers make after crashing: it was the road, the weather, the lighting, the car and of course the “Other Driver”. We just love to play the blame game, everything’s fault but our own.

    So you have driven for 10, 20, 40, 60 years, so what? You may very well have been making the same mistakes for decades AND if you teach your kids, you will be passing on those mistakes. Your only claim to fame is that you are still alive! Which has far more to do with good luck than good performance.

    Many here are blaming their car for not being able to indicate left on exit, or I drive a Rolls Royce and it’s too big to indicate.


    Roundabout Laws are easy. They are easy to learn. They are easy to use AND they make sense.

    All it takes, as in almost every other driving task, is patience, the RIGHT speed for the job, so you can stay out of trouble, and UNcommon basic courtesy.

    “Other Drivers” may, in your eyes, be reckless, fast or even “morons”. All YOU have to do is give them room. Not threaten, yell, honk or pull out a gun, just room so the two of you don’t meet.

    Another common thread is the size of our roundabouts. Yes they are postage stamp size, often with poor sight lines and we have to slow down a lot to get through them safely.

    The cheapest answer and arguably the safest are 4 way stop signs, but I can hear the arguments against already!

    But to add my two cents worth to the anti- RMS debate I do wish that they would stop councils from planting a forest in the middle of roundabouts so that you can’t see the other vehicles’ indicators. Very decorative, but very dangerous. Some even put “rear end crash zone” signs up, Duh!

    The “new” rules are totally insignificant in the scheme of things, get over it.

  95. Have these rules been introduced in other states? The idea of the Australian Road
    Rules was to do away with the confusion between the various State Motor Traffic Acts. If NSW goes off at a tangent we are going back to being in hell when we drive interstate.

  96. I think that driving a car is a FULL TIME OCCUPATION and that a distraction of any sort that is controllable is dangerous. If you want to use a phone, gps, have a conversation, read a map, text friends then PULL OFF THE ROAD. I know its boring but maybe a lot less people will lose their lives and a lot less will suffer injuries.

  97. I agree with the new ruling on mobile phones .But I have one question who is going to book the copper for using his / her mobile phone whilst driving.I see many people using their mobile Police are not excluded even Ambulance drivers.I travel the Pacific Hwy every day to and from work .I was Fined and Booked 3 years ago for scratching my right ear I had to wear that as my many letters to the Authorities fell on deaf ears.

  98. I always indicate at large roundabouts but some ofn the roundabouts in the Inner West of Sydney are no larger than an oversized “traffic cop”. To enter those intersections and indicate right and then left to drive straight ahead will only add confusion. What is probably more important is to educate people about the basic rules of the use of roundabouts as some drivers seem to think that a roundabout means that you have to give way to every vehicle in sight!!!
    I’m also confused about the rule that if there are traffic lights at a roundabout that are out then treat it as a roundabout. I thought that the point of a roundabout was to eliminate traffic lights. I’m yet to see an intersection that has both.

  99. I have no problems with mobile phones being in a cradle and not be handled in a vehicle which is in motion. I’ve had close calls with idiots drifting to my side of the road while they are texting.

    The regulation that is worrying me is the round about rule where we now need to indicate our exit. On a round about that is ten or more meters in diameter the intention can be turned on quite easily.

    On a small suburban round about a driver doesn’t have much space to indicate his intentions.

    In a cross road round about the following could occur.

    Lets say vehicle “A” is proceeding ahead to exit two and continuing on the same road. This driver would not want to get fined for not using the left turn signal to indicate he is moving out of the round about. Drivers will turn on the signal as soon as they enter the round about.

    Waiting at exit one, is vehicle “B”. This driver notices that vehicle “A” has a left turn signal and therefore is about to enter the road he is standing in. Vehicle “B” proceeds into the round about and now the vehicles are on a collision course.

    It’s a stupid law for small round about, and the only people that will be happy are the panel beaters.

    Tony Saliba

  100. OK so some of the road rules have changed, but what about some existing ones like when changing lanes on a multi laned road, eg freeway… why is it that no-one any longer indicates when changing lanes… or has this rule been done away with, and i didn’t know it??? I am sick of people in front of me changing lanes, how am i expected to know where they are going? I have even seen red ‘p’ plated drivers do this, don’t they teach learner drivers any more to indicate where they are going??

  101. so how much road rage is gonna happen now when some people are so used to the other ways for years i agree with the mobile phone but not the round about its revenue raising to me

  102. It doesn’t matter what the road rules, have been in the past, are now or in the future.

  103. So confusing when someone enters a roundabout to your right with a left hand blinker: you think they are going to turn left – instead they keep coming. Means you have to wait and see what they are going to do – especially on a small roundabout. I hate this road rule!!!!

    • I agree, I have almost been hit a few times as I almost entered a roundabout with someone with a left blinker going. I believed they were exiting on the road to my right, BUT, they are going through to the next exit, ie. driving straight through. I have to keep reminding myself never to trust someone’s blinker regardless it is on a roundabout or intersection, OR, even a straight road! I have many school buses in my area that pull out from the gutter STILL WITH THEIR LEFT INDICATOR blinking away! I have had to jam the breaks on. Ok, you have to give way to a bus pulling out, BUT with it’s wrong indicator on? I feel these part time bus drivers are an accident waiting to happen. They just drive the school bus for an hour in the morning and again in the afternoon.
      Sorry for getting off topic but it is a topic I feel so much about and before any children get hurt, especially without seat belts!?

  104. Just trying to find an answer in regards to the mobile phones rules. My P1 son does not use his phone in the car as a phone but does have it plugged in to the radio so he can play his music. The phone sits in a shelf under the radio. Is this legal? I have read that learners and p1 cannot use any phone function, is the music considered a phone function or is it ok as long as he doesnt actually touch the phone?

  105. Rounabout laws have & still are a joke!
    It should be that you indicate if you are turning left or right at roundabout.
    If you are going straight ahead & indicate left to exit & do not turn left then a car to your left could pull out because they thought you were turning left instead of going straight….& this is supposed to be sfaer for us.
    I drive a manual & quite often I have to change gears whilst driving through a roundabout.So I have one hand on gearshift, one on the wheel & now supposed to have a third on the indicator when changing gears.
    Too many imbiciles deciding the laws.
    I know if I get booked I’ll be taking the matter to court!

    • for one thing it isn’t safe practice to change gears when negotiating a roundabout, you should have selected the appropriate gear before entering, for another if you read the wording of the law you are required to signal your intent to leave the roundabout AFTER passing the last exit before the one you intend to take, thereby eliminating the possibility of other drivers on your left misunderstanding your intent

  106. Even worse are the drivers who put their right-hand indicator on to go straight ahead through a local t-intersection roundabout that has an excessive bulge to one side. One direction through is almost a straight line, and because the centre circle is not properly centralized, it looks like a more or less sweeping left-hand turn is actually continuous straight ahead, even though it’s a different signposted road. Use of the right-hand indicator when travelling what is in fact straight ahead along the one named road literally means you’re doing a u-turn, and is a recipe for disaster countless times over and over. Wanna know where it is? It’s the intersection of Old Castle Hill and Tuckwell Roads, Castle Hill, Sydney. Have a look at it on satellite view and you’ll see exactly what I mean (for northbound transit along Old Castle Hill Road).

    Of course, the converse of all this is frequent failure to use the left-hand indicator when turning left (west) from Old Castle Hill Road into Tuckwell Road. Sooooo unhelpful when you’re entering from Tuckwell Road to turn left or right.

  107. I agree with Tony Saliba (1.11.12 @ 12:26 p.m. above) – left-hand indicating for exit from probably every small roundabout is not just stupid, it’s bad law and dangerous as regards control of your vehicle, and for those reasons gives rise to my previously-stated proposition that the “impractical” defence is there to be used (and should be used) especially in just about every small roundabout scenario.

  108. Regarding the fines for using a mobile telephone – 3 points and $298. If it is in a school zone – 4 points and $397. The new ruling does not specify if the school zone applies only during the normal school times ao any time.

  109. What worries me are the idiots who are going straight ahead on a roundabout but think that because you veer slightly left then right ( because you are going around the edge of a circle) that they must indicate left then right but continue straight ahead! I’ve seen this on more than one occasion and its madness!

  110. Stop drivers from smoking while driving. How many accidents have happened
    after a cigerette or hot ashes have dropped into a drivers lap? Also only one hand on steering wheel.

  111. Re the use of mobile phones while driving, I agree with the law but have trouble understanding what the big difference is bewteen that and say changing a CD or a radio station where you have to take your eyes off the road – and the same applies with a MP3 type player when you want to select a new playlist or whatever. Handsfree are a must and whatever connection method is used it should be done with voice recognition only.

  112. The best thing is better to turn the mobile off until arrives to the destination, think that never had a phone , live as those days never had one. avoid the unnecessary conversation while driving, concentrate and countesy saves life and problems. No arguments and stress. no need to rush, think that better than walking. May be best to take public transport. Save money on petrol and hassels. headech………

  113. I really hope that whoever is in charge of this forum forwards these replys to the road rule makers and maybe a bit of common sense might come out of it. Cars entering a roundabout should not have to signal . Cars turning right signal right.
    Cars turning left signal left Cars going straight should not have to signal. Wouldn’t .that be more logical . I think that some one is always thinking of ways to confuse and profit from the general public but i’m not saying who.

    • the reason for the signal from those going straight ahead is simple logic, let the other drivers know when you intend to leave the roundabout.

  114. I fail to understand why there is a issue about indicating direction when entering and exiting a roundabout – as a driver with 47 years experience and no traffic penalties I have always indicated direction entering and exiting roundabouts and any other intersections without all the perceived mechanical and driving skill difficulties that appear to be posted here.
    I am more concerned that currently most drivers fail to give way to traffic on their left that is already at and about to enter the roundabout, which according to the NSW Traffic Regulations, gives the vehicle already at and in the roundabout right of way to all traffic approaching, including the vehicles on their right.
    I see so many drivers approaching from the right taking their perceived right of way by their intimidating speed of approach, such that the vehicle already at and entering the roundabout, feels compelled to give way rather than engage in a collision. The scenario is worse if there is a stream of vehicles following the first one, all of whom have no right of way.
    In the same theme is also the issue of driving instructors failing to train their pupils on how to physically negotiate roundabouts – many new drivers are not trained enough in containing their circular lane direction in a roundabout. They need to be given repetitious practice in circling a simulated roundabout until they get it right.

    • Indeed. On one or two occasions only, I’ve tried to test the situation by ever so slightly entering when there’s a stream of sheep approaching on my right. The chance of one of them stopping to give way as required? Absolute Buckley’s. Boo and hiss to roundabouts and their utterly dangerous concepts and procedures.

  115. I cant’ seem to see where all off this is going. All of a sudden we are being bombarding with to many changes not only the road rules but also from every area where every motorist seems to go is being hammered with huge cost and frustration just the car to get where is needed. We are now the most people who are being used to fork out thousands of dollars for using the cars. we being hit from police, councils, car park tenders, petrol station, street parking and the courts and so on so. The best
    thing is education is needed to resolve all this.and stop punishing people just doing which is necessary due to the area they are living in. Society is not going to the same again

  116. Indicating when exiting roundabouts could put lives at risk as there will be many instances where the indicator remains “on” after exit and the driver is unaware leading possible collisions further on up the road.

    • pete the ‘new’ laws have been in operation since roundabouts were first installed in NSW, this is just reinforcing them.
      You have always been required to signal left after passing the last exit before the one you wish to leave by.

  117. The only stupid thing about these new roundabout laws is…. That to be putting on your left blinker before entering the roundabout when you are going straight through it, it telling the vehicle coming out of the street on the left that you are in fact turning left…. That vehicle is going to come out into the roundabout and get hit by the car going straight through simply because the law has told him/her that they need to be indicating before entering a roundabout……

  118. i can’t understand why this roundabout laws are so big a deal and make people so confused . a roundabout should be treated like a 4 way intersection with 4 give way signs and everyone gives way to they right and indicating direction to where you are going what is so hard about that

  119. I remember when I got my licence over 20 yrs ago I was NEVER taught to signal leaving a roundabout…but then again, there wasnt very many here in NSW back then. I dont see the need for them. They are dangerous… I also remember when they first changed the rules about signaling in a roundabout there were LOADS of accidents because of it. Why change the rules now? Seriously. If you are going straight ahead you shouldnt need to signal. And Obviously if you are turning left or right you signal the correct way you are turning.. It is NOT rocket science. With regards to the mobile phone will NEVER stop people from using their phones while driving. You simply dont have enough police on the roads to stop them. I am still seeing people drive along, one hand on the wheel, a phone in the other…oblivious to whats going on around them…. Makes me want to hand in my license sometimes.

  120. Regarding the Roundabouts – I have been indicating for years, however, the confusion to me right now is on many larger roundabouts there are two lanes with arrows to indicate whether you are going straight, right or left and being in the appropriate lane to start with if going right you indicate right, and same for left, but going straight ahead always means to me that I’m going straight ahead, how can I indicate to enter??? I get indicating to exit. Then comes the really small roundabouts that you almost drive straight over…. when, unless you are turning left or right you really don’t have time to indicate at all…
    As far as the handling of a mobile phone whilst in the car, I have only ever done that stationary at traffic lights to make a call on the bluetooth in the car, never ever ever whilst driving, so does that also mean I can’t do anything in the car other than sit waiting for the lights, I can’t check my run sheet, I can’t drink my coffee or water, I can’t snack… all of which I do at traffic lights, sometimes I wish for the lights to turn red so I can do these things as I would not consider doing them while moving… I spend my life on the road driving to jobs all over the city and I can tell you there are plenty of idiots out there.. I wonder sometimes if I am towing an anchor because when doing the maximum speed limit I am being overtaken by just about everyone else on the road and wonder why there aren’t more accidents given the volume of traffic and the crazy careless driving that does occur.

  121. Remember , and indicator flashing only means that it is working, it does not mean that the driver is about to turn in that direction. Think of the people who allow their indicator, most likely unknown to continue after having turned. Only a fool would commit on someone else’s indicator – remember it only mans that it is working.
    Personally I believe that the fine for using a mobile phone should be double what ever it currently is. You don’t get people taking a chance on being caught if you make it less attractive to take a chance, on being caught. The present fine is just sufficient for people to take a punt, and if they get caught it is not that they were doing something wrong, it was just bad luck.
    During a driving test, if you don’t signal when exiting a roundabout it counts towards you not getting your license, as far as the examiners are concerned it is always practicable. However before we put too much emphasis on using indicators whilst exiting roundabouts, it would be just nice to drivers use indicators when they should, after all it may assist preventing someone from running into you, at least it gives others a chance to keep out of your way.

    Turing left or right out of a roundabout ok but going straight ahead Dumb
    This will cause more accidents because some roundabouts are too small so when do you put the blinker on in the middle some fly into roundabouts that quick
    there through them in a blink of an eye
    Ok going Straight ahead just use the HAZARDS LIGHTS both left and right blinkers go at once That would stuff up the Road rule turkeys
    .I Hate the push and motor bike scooter riders who cut in between cars at lights and a that slow in take off you just about run over them . Its about time push bike are registed to go on the Road . I all ready lost a mirror and lost the person on the bike in traffic the bloody bag hit the mirror . Push bike riders going through red lights its time these people take account for their Actions

  123. Was there not another new rule concerning giving way to pedestrians when turning right into a street, or has this stupid change been scrapped?

  124. In your above list of ‘changes’, there is no mention of signalling when leaving the round-about. There is only mention of signalling early before entering the round-about. That’s always been the case, hasn’t it? Where is the new rule for round-abouts in this list?

  125. I can’t see what all the fuss is about. Why don’t people just have a look at the RMS site pictures? It is very clear what to do and all the whinging in the world won’t change a thing.

  126. I do not signal if turning left when no other cars are around. Why wear out my blinker globes. Why not a ban on having dogs and cats in the front seat of the car. City people who often unashameably allow their pets inside their houses also allow them to sit in the front seat of their car. In Canada a new law came into place last year that drivers would be fined if distracted when driving, no matter what the distraction was including arguments with the passenger.

  127. Seems to me from the comments above that there are a lot of incompetent drivers posting here who should be taken off the road. Get a grip – it’s not that hard. It’s simply a matter of letting people know where and when you are turning/changing lanes.

  128. I love these new and refined laws, when are they going to change school zones to 10Km/h or change main highway systems to 50Km/h much better. It will save lives.

    The reality is no matter how many laws are introdiced and enforced into this country people are still going to speed and talk on their phones, i observe this every day.

    The people that have every intention of speeding or talking on their phones will do it at their own will, this will not stop them.

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  130. It is all just common sense, all road rules where all out but people are just too lazy to follow them and most drivers just make their own rules and don’t we all have a duty of care on the road.
    Talking about road rules isn’t there something missing in the road rules “Bicycle Riders” not signally and not stopping at red lights how about a licence and point system for these offender’s

    I have always signaled in the manner which is now the law. It just makes good sense before entering a roundabout to signal your intention to go left or right or even perform a u-turn, but equally it makes plain good sense to give some indication as to when and where you are getting of by giving a left signal.

    The key thing is the size and complexity of the roundabout, it makes little sense to signal on the tiny roundabout which are often more reminiscent of the old yellow traffic cops for a diamond turn than as a roundabout.

    The rules about entering a roundabout are more of a problem. The “Vehicles entering a roundabout must give way to vehicles already in the roundabout” rule is not handled well, mostly cars already moving quickly, even though they are quite a distance from the roundabout, believe they have a god-given right to keep moving, and so they tend to play chicken with a stationery or slowly moving vehicle on their left, even though that other vehicle has plenty of time to enter the roundabout before their vehicle does. Although there is no give-way-to-the-right rule, I am sure the practicality of it at some roundabouts avoids accidents.

    Actually, is give-way-to-the-right a dirty word? In the Road User’s Handbook it gives many diagrammatic examples of who gives way to whom at various types of intersections. Except for one very simple omission: at a cross intersection where two vehicles intend going straight ahead and the intersection is not controlled by any signals or signs, or there are sign on both roads there is silence in the rules. There is a sort of “give way to the right rule” if you are turning left into the path of a vehicle on your right, but no guidance about what to do when both vehicles are going straight ahead. I have an intersection near my house where two of the entrances to the intersection have stop signs, and there is a constant gesturing of “you go first” , “no, you go first”. This would be simplified greatly if they combined the turning rules with the going straight ahead by saying a more generalised give way to the right at cross intersections.

  132. Today i was going straight ahead at a roundabout I put on right blinker passed first exit put on left blinker to exit , about 50 meters from roundabout is the exit of our shopping centre a car came out of the centre saw my right blinker thought I was turning right came out and we nearly collided. This rule is dangerous
    Bob Quinlan

    • Sorry Robert,
      You do NOT signal right, then left to go straight ahead.

      In the situation you described you do not use ANY indicators UNTIL you indicate left AFTER passing the first street on your left so that other drivers know you are exiting the roundabout, even if it is straight ahead.

      Sorry bud you were at fault.

      Read the rules mate

  133. You’re all wrong in one respect. A motorcycle can go straight through many roundabouts in a straight line. Simply because a motorbike is so slim.
    So why does a bike rider have to signal left, when going in a dead straight line from one side of the roundabout to the other? A dead straight line, no turning of the handlebars at all?
    And note that, as a rider myself, I’m certainly not going to indicate left unless I’m actually turning left, because to do so invites Joe Zombie to drive his car out in front of me.
    There’s road rules and there’s personal safety, and personal safety is all I’m concerned about.
    I will always give way to cars on my right, simply because on a motorbike I cannot afford not to.

    • No Mag, you are the one that is wrong, and in more than one respect.

      Just because you use a vehicle which is slim enough to enable you to break the law with it doesn’t give you the right to do so. That would be tantamount to, say, you driving down a one-way street the wrong way just because your machine is slim enough to do that in “a dead straight line, no turning of the handlebars at all”, and claiming that therefore it must be alright. I don’t think the magistrate would agree.

      It is clear that you, and a great many before you who have left comments about negotiating round-abouts, don’t understand their intent as traffic control devices and the means by which that is to be achieved. The primary principle is to guide converging flows of traffic into a uni-directional flow from which diverging flows can be easily directed in a controlled fashion. This is achieved by the use of a piece of roadway of one or more (think eight, around the Arc de Triomph in Paris) concentric circular traffic lanes. As soon as you enter the round-about you are in effect on an endless length of roadway on which all the usual rules apply: for as long as you stay in your lane (which would be going around in circles, literally) no signal is required; if you wish to change lanes, including to exit the round-about, you must indicate your intention (and not merely confirm what you have already started to do, as happens all too frequently) at the earliest possible time consistent with not confusing other drivers (such as Joe Zombie). It is for the latter reason that the rules require one to indicate a left turn when approaching a round-about if one is going to exit via the first exit (irrespective of how many exits there are), but specifically not if the exit will be via any of the subsequent exits. Alternatively, if one is intending to exit at a point somewhat beyond what would usually be the second exit in a four-exit round-about (commonly thought of as the “straight ahead” exit), irrespective of the actual number of exits from the round-about, then one is required to indicate a right turn when approaching the round-about. This signal would be cancelled and immediately followed by a left turn signal as one approached the point on the round-about when that turn has to be started in order to make the exit. It follows that a vehicle approaching a round-about and showing no turn signal is indicating its intention to exit the round-about at some point in between the exits requiring the left or right signal. Note that since one can only exit a round-about by turning left out of the circular lane(s) comprising the round-about (even if they are barely discernable as such, such as in very small “suburban” round-abouts), the rules require a left turn signal, no different from when one makes a left turn from any road into another.

      So Mag, you can see that irrespective of how you choose to negotiate a round-about, you are required to signal a left turn as you approach the departure point, and further, if you have driven across a two-lane round-about in “a dead straight line, no turning of the handlebars at all” you have more than likely twice changed lanes, and twice more broken the law if you haven’t signalled those changes; not to mention how you will have managed to confuse Joe Zombie!

  134. Are there specific rules relating to laptops or tablets in cars e.g. are laptops allowed to be turned on and left on the passenger seat, etc? I’m guessing there are probably rules around this similar to mobile phones?

  135. This post was very informative. Not many people will know of the updated changes to the rules of the road, so reading this is definitely recommended. Thank you for informing the public so that they can continue to stay safe when travelling to and from their destination in their cars.

  136. Re indicating at roundabouts: Would it not be clearer to state “indicate right if CONTINUING around the roundabout” and then “indicate left when EXITING the roundabout” rather than using the erms “turning left ” and “turning right” which I believe confuses some drivers when on roundabouts?

  137. I do not have a problem with the new law in a multi lane roundabout, as long as drivers obey 100% the line markings,i.e. don’t cross unbroken or continuous lines.However when proceeding straight through a single lane roundabout at just 30kph it takes less than a second to go from the instant of your straight point in the roundabout to be exited from the roundabout. My vehicle’s turn indicators have a response time greater than zero seconds so the visual assistance afforded is just a fraction of a second. I cannot see how in this situation using indicators helps anyone, and in fact adds an unnecessary mental task for the driver of timing the hand movement on the indicators to a fraction of a second – if it is made too early it is very dangerous, if it is made late what purpose does it serve? To me a safe turn or exit or entry is the requirement.

  138. Since the new Mobile Phone Laws were passed the quality of driving has deteriorated. Why?
    Previously people would fiddle with their phones and still had one eye on the road. Now they try and hide the phone between their legs and don’t have any view of the road.
    Stupid law that makes the roads more dangerous! Government can give away set top television boxes, why not hands free devices?

  139. My mother who is 91 can indicate when leaving a roundabout…. so can you.
    I sat and watched 100 cars turn right at a large roundabout (The Entrance Road into Karalta Road) and only 7 indicated they were exiting.
    I sat and watched 100 cars go ‘straight ahead’ through a small roundabout (Karalta Road and Ilya Avene) and not one indicated they were exiting.
    Lazy drivers …. how hard can it be?

  140. Roundabouts

    While I am not opposed to the requirement to indicate when leaving a roundabout, in the case of exiting from the outer lane of the roundabout there is little hazard in doing so without indicating. Normally only movements by pedestrians could conflict with this move and I am not sure that it is wise to suggest that pedestrian should rely on the indications (or not) of car drivers when crossing roads. However, if a person indicates to leave the roundabout and then doesn’t this is a much much higher risk situation. If there isn’t a large penalty for indicating left and then continuing in the roundabout there should be as this is clearly very dangerous.

  141. My pet hate with 99% of the roundabouts in Sydney that are small is when someone approaches with their indicator flashing left (in preparation to ‘exit’ the roundabout) but then zoom straight through and you think they must be turning left. They are trying to do the right thing by giving lots of warning but they are almost causing accidents. We must stress the ‘where practical’ part of the rule. In 99% of roundabouts in my area it is NOT PRACTICAL.

  142. So, let me get this right, if I am a new driver, like my children, I have to take my hands off the steering wheel, while driving around 2 corners, maybe changing gears at the same time, purely to indicate to someone who cannot carefully observe the roundabout themselves ?
    Yep, thats why they say ïf practical’. But who decides what is practical ?

    Also, cars used to give way to vechiles wishing to enter straight traffic from a right hand street. They cancelled that rule to save lives.
    So now they want a car to guess what pedestrians are doing when standing on a street corner. Seriously, even if the car attempting to turn right sees the pedestrian, who can say the following car is not miscalculating.
    Looks like we will all need compulsory vehicle black boxes to avoid the risk of bad court judgements.

  143. if driver could not talk on mobile and shave his face and do his her shoe lace while eating and drinking and looking for nice pair of legs passing by and drive at high speed on rainy night and switch his lights off at night in fog for beter vision then he she should never be allowed to drive.that what i have been taught in army.why it is so governments around the world are picking on easy cash,which is discriminating against drivers,while corrupt politicians bussines and the rest of likes are knighted. and not to mention real criminals are slapped on the wrist.history will judge this governments as crimminals who are missusing technology against motorists to financialy patch up their inability to govern,instead to use technology to guide our cars speed.THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF NOTORIOUS SPANISH INQUISITION.i know i know dont mention its my grammmmar sorry i drive at such prohibited speed while im typing it on my laptop.

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  145. hey , can anybody tell me about stop sign , like where we exactly need to stop if the sign is in the middle of the road ? plz ans

  146. Thanks for your question Malik, According to Road Rules 2014- 67 Stopping and giving way at a stop sign or stop line at an intersection without traffic lights:
    (2) The driver must stop as near as practicable to, but before reaching:
    (a) the stop line, or
    (b) if there is no stop line-the intersection.

    Here’s a link to the site:

    I hope this helps.
    Cheers, Paul- NRMA Community Manager

  147. Here we go:
    Mini RB – circle painted on road surface, or small island that usually can be driven over by longer vehicles. Almost standard intersection, except right-hand rule is in effect.
    Turning left – left signal
    Straight ahead – no signal
    Turning right – right signal

    Normal RB – larger island, bigger distance between exits, ‘own’ road around island independent off approaches. Can be named.
    Turning left – left signal
    Straight ahead – no signal, then left after passing last exit before yours
    Turning right – right signal and then as above.
    There are many signals: all lights on the car (indicators, brake, reverse, positioning, main beam, even headlights), positioning on the road and within lane, speed, and the driver (where is he/she looking, how are hands on the steering, insert your own racial stereotypes etc). You pay attention to them, you can read intentions of others and make better decisions. And when it comes to giving signals think HOW AND WHEN OTHERS CAN BENEFIT OF THEM.
    Rules are made by the people for the people. Therefore they’re not perfect. People are not stupid, just inexperienced

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